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General info:Selecting a good tablet or stylus for sketching

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Hi to Krita Community and good Morning.
First of all,this thread is not mainly about any of my question or my problem.Its for those painters and artists or product designers who want to buy a good tablet PC for Sketching or who want to select a correct Stylus for sketching.

[b] If you are looking at compact [u] portable workstation [/u],why not try these:[/b]

http://www.paceblade.com/index.php?id=4

http://www.kupaworld.com/Products.html

http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/vivoTab.htm (Asus Vivo Tab,not Vivo Tab RT)

http://www.samsung.com/global/ativ/ativ_pc.html

http://www.samsung.com/global/ativ/ativ_pc_pro.html

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/table ... -tablet-2/

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/table ... pad-helix/

http://www.panasonic.com/business/tough ... ok-landing

http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/ ... dows-8-pro

http://www.dell.com/us/p/latitude-10-st2e/pd (Choose "Latitude 10 Enhanced Security" to get Wacom Stylus support.Not all Variants of Latitude 10 have stylus Support.)

http://www.scribblertabletpc.com/
(12.1 Inch,windows 7,I wish that it should be windows 8 )

Make sure you don't get Windows RT,get windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro.I heard that you cannot download any software outside of Windows App Store in Windows RT.

NOTE: Krita sketch might hang on these devices due to low processing speed.

(Krita as of now do not have an Official Android version.However,if someone is interested,there are some Small Android Wacom Penabled Tablet PCs like those offered by Samsung and like Aipad Tab A8.)

[b]If your Requirnment is high processing speed,[/b]
There are expensive choices:

1)Mod Book Pro from Modbook Inc. (modified version of MacBook,supports stylus,runs Apple Operating system as well as windows 7,13.3 inch)

2) Fujitsu Lifebook T902. (13.3 inch)

3) Motion Computing Range of Tablet PCs,J3600 being the top model. (12.1-12.6 inch or smaller.)(Motion Computing CL910 uses N-Triq stylus support unlike other Motion computing tablets which support Wacom Penabled stylus pens.)

4) Range of Tablets from "Tablet Kiosk" ( http://www.tabletkiosk.com/ ) (12.1-12.6 inch or smaller)

5) GamaTech (Durabook) u12Ci (12.1 Inch,windows 7,I wish that it should be windows 8 )
More info on:
http://www.gammatechusa.com/PRO/U12Ci/

6) Panasonic Range of ToughBook Tablet PCs (around 12.5 inch)
http://www.panasonic.com/business/tough ... ok-landing

[i]In addition,there are few other [b]Military shock test grade Wacom Penabled[/b] Tablet PCs.[/i]

In addition,
There are some other Wacom Penabled Tablet PCs like from:

[b]Xplore Technologies[/b] ( http://www.xploretech.com/products/ )

[b] IEIMobile [/b]

[b]Bormann[/b]

[b]Gladius[/b] ( http://www.arbor.com.tw/product/rugged-tablet-pc.aspx )

and may be few more.....

[u][b]ModBook Pro and Fujitsu Lifebook T902 can be custom configured to highest specs & highest Processing speed of all tablet PC options.They are allmost as powerful as a regular MacBook Pro.[/b][/u]

[b]Best Wacom penabled stylus to use with tablets supporting Wacom Stylus:[/b]
Motion Computing J3500 wacom Stylus (many MC stylusses are available,Go for this: Additional Digitiser Pen-Black)

http://www.motioncomputing.com/choose/spec_pen_L.htm

I recomend Motion Computing stylus because unlike most other wacom penabled stylus,this one has as small & as precise nib as which Wacom Cintiq stylus has.However,whether its suitable for the glass of your tablet PC or not is what you might need to check before ordering it.Some glasses are to delicate to resist so tiny small nibs and may scratch.In that case,I recommend Toshiba/Durabook Wacom DIgitiser stylus.

According to Wacom support,Any tablet bearing "Penabled" official Wacom's Logo is compatable with any of the Presently offered Wacom Penabled Stylus pens.
[u]Note that N-Triq stylus pens cannot be interchanged with Wacom Penabled Stylus pens as both are based on Different technologies.[/u]

[b]N-Triq Stylus issues:[/b]

There are few Tablet PCs using N-Triq's Stylus Pen Technology like some of those by Fujitsu or like Asus Taichi 21 (11.6 Inch Screen) or Asus Taichi 31 (13.3 inch screen).But I don't much recommend using Tablet PCs with "N-Triq" stylus pen Technology,for writing or Precise sketching, due to larger diameter which the N-Triq nibs have.
Although theres have been a Huge improvement in Nib design of latest 4th Generation N-Triq stlus pen compared to its predecessor.

[u]Note that N-Triq stylus pens cannot be interchanged with Wacom Penabled Stylus pens as both are based on Different technologies.[/u]

[b]Processing speed:[/b]
I recomend expensive devices I listed for good productivity and for detailed sketches.Professional artists should not buy low processing speed Tablets.
Processing ability depends upon the clock frequency of the piezoelectric Vibrating crystal.
I have ordered a tablet with high configuration:3.6 GHZ Core i7,8 GB primary RAM,so that Krita desktop or CAD/CAM applications or any other application do not stuck frequently on my new Convertible tablet PC.It features allmost 13.3 inch screen(Diagonal).

Infact Krita Sketch freezes immediately on my dad's windows 7 laptop for medium size images.The lasso tool do not work for medium size images.
Not always necesary that its because,theres a bug.
it moght generally also,because the configuration of my dad's windows 7 laptop is too low to support Krita sketch in this situation.(Offcoarse,high configuration is obviously available in market for windows).

[u]In my opinion,some of the best Tablet PCs for sketching are made by Samsung,Motion Computing,Tablet Kiosk,Microsoft(That is Surface Pro) and ModBook Inc.[/u]

[b]Considering that target audience is the one who is looking for a Portable sketching workstation,who are car designers or Product Designers,I would like to share some my own Persional Opinion about ModBook Pro:[/b]
I like the Textured Matt finish Chemically Etched screen glass feel of few Tablet PCs like ModBook Pro.Since this offers some amazing paper like Grip of stylus nib which Glossy surface fails to offer much.
Some users like me like to retouch drawings over a curve by a too and fro stylus nib motion and here the ModBook like screen handles better.
The slippery surface finish of glossy screen of the most Tablet PCs isn't very ideal for car designers and you don't have grip you need when you move from point A to B as a curve and come back slightly towards B from A.
ModBook Pro also comes with a set of different types of nibs,I don't know though how useful is using different types of nibs.

So,my persional suggestion is look for a Tablet PC like ModBook if you can really afford it,otherwise, look for other Tablet PCs.
(On a further note keep in mind that ModBook's Screen has its own disadvantage like it isn't extremly great for watching movies since it has relatively slightly less light transmitivity in a shiny outdoor atmosphere.)

[b]I have provided detailed info as of now for best Windows tablets.
Now you have to decide![/b]

[b]NOTE:[/b]The information is Correct for limited time.Subject to Change in Market.
If any new tablet launches or is withdrawn from market or is modified,any Krita or KDE community Member can discuss about it provided the discussion sticks to the topic that this discussion is for selecting a good tablet or Stylus pen for sketching and painting applications.Please as far as possible do not switch over out of the main topic.

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vfredie
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Thank you for your useful survey.

I would like to have a bigger screen than the one offered by convertible/tablet PC.
One solution can be the Cintiq that should work with Krita. But it is really expensive.

Do you know other solutions?

Federico
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There are some really cheap chinesse Cintiq alternative ( For example :Yiynova) ,,both in terms of Quality as well as in terms of the pricing,which I dont recomend.
But if you wish,You may look at " Yiynova".

http://www.yiynova.com/En/
http://www.yiynova.eu/

See Yiynova's " All in one PC " OR " Tablet LCD Monitor " for your Requirnment.(No idea whether Yiynova's stylusses supports Krita)
Krita is supported only by some particular stylus brands,most particularly,Wacom Penabled stylusses.

Infact I heard about an another Cinesse brand which manufactures cintiq alternative,but have forgotten its name.

Also,Wacom America is launching its own Tablet PC this summer and is comfirmed.

Just recently,Wacom has launched its new Tablet display of 13.3 inches callled Cintiq 13HD.

At some point of time,2 or 3 years back,even around 14 inch Penabled Tablets were available.

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Ya,I remember,the name of that another Chinesse Tablet Monitor manufacturer is BOSTO.
http://bosto-tablet.com/
No Gaurantee of Krita working with it and doubtful about bad chinesse quality.Suggesting just because your budget is highly constraint.

There is an another chinesse brand,Hanvon.
http://www.hanvon.com/en/about/OurCore.html
(Again here no idea whether Krita will work with this.)

An another Chinesse Tablet Monitor.
http://www.huion-tablet.com/product/pro ... p?sku=2001
(Again here no idea whether Krita will work with this.)

There is one Taiwanese Tablet Monitor manufacturer called P-Active.
Please check out P-Active Details here:
http://www.drawing-tablets.com/lcd-tablet-1.html
And,
http://www.p-active.com.tw/products/lcd.htm
(Again here no idea whether Krita will work with this.)

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I can recommend the Fujitsu convertible tablets. Their main models are the T902 and T732. Both are highly configurable on their online shop. If you go with the t732, make sure to get the screen upgrade, I find the stock 1366x768 a bit dim. I've read the stock t902 1600x900 monitor doesn't have brightness issues.

for some reference i returned the initial release samsung series 7 slate for the fuji and have been very happy with the decision. on the fujis you can drop in two SSD's over the cd-drive, and I've upgraded my ram to 16gb.

this fuji is chugging with a i5-2540m cpu @ 2.6ghz. for comparison the new microsoft surface pro has a 1.7 ghz cpu. [yawn!]


thanks OP for list, lots to look into here..

oh one last thing.. if you decide on fujitsu, be sure to check out their manufacturer ebay page. the t732 lists at something wild like $1400, and I picked it up for $700 on their ebay page with warranty and what not. looks like the t902's are selling for $800-1000 on their page these days.
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Thanks,Maygon for such Valuable information.

For a particular type of consumer,who needs a high processing speed,large 13.3 inch screen and both two in one Tablet PC and powerful high end laptop,I would too would have definately easily recomended Fujitsu Lifebook T902 instead of a equally spec ModBook.

But Only until.....


I experienced the Frustating Pen Callibratiom Problems with Fujitsu Lifeboook T902 myself.

Here is the thread where I have complained about Fujitsu Lifebook T902:

https://forum.ts.fujitsu.com/forum/view ... 95&t=46178

Please find many other similar complains here:

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/tablet- ... blems.html

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/fujitsu ... tizer.html

http://forum.ts.fujitsu.com/forum/viewt ... 95&t=42898

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/fujitsu ... nings.html

I have returned my Fujitsu Lifebook T902 and looking forward to buy ModBook Pro or Wacom's First,Upcomming Tablet PC in September,if specs are similar to Lifebook T902 or ModBook Pro.
If you need high processing speed,large 13.3 inch screen and both two in one Tablet PC and powerful high end laptop,I recomend ModBook Pro.

Some Reviews on ModBook Pro:

1) http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/03/re ... let-redux/

2) http://mattwilsoncolors.blogspot.in/201 ... sions.html

3) http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/24/wacom- ... al-artist/

NOTE:

Old Modbook did had decent Callibration,but some ModBook units had critical defect issues with stuffs like Bluetooth,Jumping Mouse Cursor,etc.
However,the new ModBook's design is 80 to 90 percent different than the earlier one.ModBook Inc. is a completely new company which only bought "ModBook" and related trademarks from defunct Axiotron Inc. and do not posses any rights to use Axiotron's patents,do not have rights to service old ModBooks.
The old ModBooks were assembled by the ModBook Dealers through a Mod Kit.
The new ModBook Pro is as of now only available for purchase through Internet and is made in ModBook Inc.'s Facilities itself,no longer assembled by dealers.
This means that unlike Old ModBook,we can expect better quality from ModBook Inc.

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Lets see what Wacom Americas says on Facebook regarding its Upcomming Tablet PC:

"
We’ve heard you shouting out loud for a Wacom mobile tablet for creative uses. Well… we’re listening. We’ve read your email and spoken to many about an on-the-go dream device. It will come. This summer. We’re working 24/7 on it. And yes, it has a real pressure-sensitive professional pen, smooth multi-touch, an HD display, and other valuable features that you haven’t seen in other tablets.
"

"
Thanks for your positive feedback about the new Cintiq 13HD, our slim compact desktop Cintiq for Mac and PC! For those of you that want the freedom to create anywhere, we’re still refining your on-the-go dream device coming later this summer.
"
These posts are available on:
https://www.facebook.com/Wacom/posts/10151303312481691
and
https://www.facebook.com/Wacom/posts/10151269211541691
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The Wacom mobile tablet would presumably be the ultimate for portable sketchpad but I bet it will cost a fortune.

My preference is for on screen drawing. I never liked the old tablets and it is one of the reasons I never got into digital drawing. Some people seem to adjust but a lot of the time if I watch a youtube video I can tell they are using a desktop pad rather than screen due to lack of hand eye coordination. The downside of the Cintiq is that your hand is in the way. If you're used to drawing on paper, you may not notice that as much but I think if you've spent a lot of time drawing in the real world you much prefer on screen drawing.

The best value in my opinion is the older Cintiq 21UX. You can get one second hand. I have one of those and I have another Eizo monitor just to see a larger view and that has better colouring. This dual set up, without going insane on an expensive new Wacom, is a good compromise. In one sense, it's the best of all worlds because if you have the image open on the second monitor as well, you can use the Cintiq kind of like a desktop tablet i.e your had is not in the way. You just need to look to a different monitor. That monitor can have reference material on it and the 21 inch Cintiq is not hugely cumbersome on your desktop.

Also, I still have an TC1100 slate PC. Those are dirt cheap to buy. That has a Wacom screen and is still usable for sketching because most of the time for sketching I don't need big res. It works well with Mypaint. The smaller Cintiqs are a little pointless in my opinion because the portability is destroyed by the fact that you still need to take a computer with you.

The hands down ultimate is the Cintiq 24HD. Very expensive though. It's a pity Wacom have such a monopoly.
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Hi Ryan,
In that case,if say someone is interested in more persional experience in less cost and he/she doesn't want to take Serious bad Callibration/Quality Risks with totally Chinesse products,he/she can instead wait for launch of 13.3 Inch Screen Lenevo LT1423P Mobile Touch Tablet Monitor.Yes,it's exactly not a Two in one device,but its still OK since you have the Wireless variant on offer.The Lenevo unit is itself Portable,and even has inbuilt Adjustable Stand.
The wired version has an advantage over Cintiq13HD that there's only a single cable to connect the Computer,unlike Cintiq 13HD and is chargeable Battery powered unlike Cintiq.

http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115460
It is expected to cost equivalent to Wacom's Non-Screen Tablets and that's Pretty cheap.
It may not have some special features which Cintiq has,but you can have a decent On-Screen Experience.
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I bought the thinkpad helix recently, and i was eager to test the latest krita version with it. So far, i had no success in getting the stylus to work with krita. I opened another thread in the general help section about this problem.

Seems to me that the newer wacom tablet pc drivers are not yet compatible with qt. So if you want to try krita on one of these machines(most of them share the same wacom digitizer) i would suggest to wait for a while, because at the moment it doesn't seem possible.
The only difference i think is with the fujitsu t902, lenovo x230t and maybe the samsung ativ, which may have one generation older wacom digitizer(in that case i don't know if krita would work, but it's possible since the older digitizer has been around for some time)

Other than that, the stylus works great with other programs such as mypaint, photoshop, etc and it's a joy to use.

Hope this helps and you understand since english is not my native language!
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vfredie wrote:Thank you for your useful survey.

I would like to have a bigger
led lights than the one offered by convertible/tablet PC.
One solution can be the Cintiq that should work with Krita. But it is really expensive.

Do you know other solutions?


Federico

Awesome information indeed.. I am looking to get new tablet and your information will surely help me lot.. Thanks

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We had a report today that uc-logic based tablets work with Krita on Windows. That means several affordable Cintiqalternatives, like Huion or Yiynova. However, disclaimer time: I have not tested that myself, for lack of hardware.

As for the Helix, I've got one and I'm working on fixing the tablet support. The problem is that in the Helix, we don't get a mouse event to go with the tablet event (this is going to get technical). We depend on Qt re-sending the same event as a mouse event because that tells us which button was pressed, but on devices like the Helix that doesn't happen. Probably because there's also a touch screen. This breaks lots more than just drawing, but I'm looking into a workaround.
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I might look into some of these alternatives. I'm kind of suspicious from straying away from Wacom though. I've spent ages recently looking into the smaller tablets running Android and iOS. Obviously no good for Krita but it turns out that there are some awful limitations anyway making an option for a more powerful tablet suitable to run Krita probably the best option if possible.

So I tried an iPad. There is Procreate which is clear winner on iPad. Awesome brush engine but similar to Krita in that this engine has internal textures to brushes. However, don't buy an iPad. iOS is horrible and forget the pens. They simply don't compare to proper Wacom screens. So then we get on to Android. There is an app called Clover Paint. That is very nice. Very nice UI and pleasant to use. Limited brush efficiency though (unlike Procreate) and no internal textures to brushes. However, I now have an Android Samsung Galaxy Note II phone and Clover Paint running on that makes an excellent totally portable drawing machine. I also want to use that to gather textures using the camera for use in brushes in any app including Krita. Samsung kills Apple dead because the S Pen is vastly superior to iPad equivalents. All I can say to anybody here is avoid iPads.

So the small tablet is pretty much a fail in my opinion. This means I'm looking at a higher powered tablet that can run Windows or better still, Linux with Krita. Has anybody actually done this? I'm only beginning investigation but it seems a nightmare to find something where Linux will work easily. Does it work on the Surface Pro? I've pretty much discounted that machine because you can't open it up. I don't like that in any computer. As for Wacom's latest tablet, that's just so expensive (as entirely expected). I don't need a full Cintiq on a tablet, just a decent Wacom enabled screen. I have a Cintiq 21 inch anyway.

It would be cool if we could find a straightforward option for running Krita on a tablet because believe me, Krita is doing very well in competing with the alternative painting apps whether full desktop or iOS and Android.
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Wacom has recently supported the Krita project with a Cintiq Hybrid Companion (and two Intuos Pro's). After trying the usual suspects -- Photoshop Touch, the autodesk sketch thingy, I found one app that was really quite okay, Artflow. But I now really, really want to have Krita on the Cintiq in Android mode :-) As for the Surface Pro, Krita is reported to work on it, too.

Hardware-wise, it's heavy but very, very good.
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boudewijn wrote:We had a report today that uc-logic based tablets work with Krita on Windows. That means several affordable Cintiqalternatives, like Huion or Yiynova. However, disclaimer time: I have not tested that myself, for lack of hardware.

As for the Helix, I've got one and I'm working on fixing the tablet support. The problem is that in the Helix, we don't get a mouse event to go with the tablet event (this is going to get technical). We depend on Qt re-sending the same event as a mouse event because that tells us which button was pressed, but on devices like the Helix that doesn't happen. Probably because there's also a touch screen. This breaks lots more than just drawing, but I'm looking into a workaround.


Boudewijn, in my opinion we don't actually need a Cintiq alternative because I find a standard decent Wacom enabled screen with a proper Wacom pen purchase to be absolutely adequate for painting and drawing. Many pros are using iPads for much work these days and the pen options are terrible but that's not stopping them. Finding the right Wacom screen Linux compatible machine is another matter. I know there are Windows machines which probably work fine with Krita but I'd rather have Linux. I have a Cintiq and I also have the other marker like pen which can use rotation etc. That's all cool but I don't find those features necessary for on the move use. I'm also not a fan of using the buttons on the Cinitiq either. I use a keyboard (except in Gimp which can use MIDI - the ultimate interfacing solution) although obviously that's not so good if the machine needs to be ultra portable. So I'm actually after a usable Wacom enabled screen tablet that can ideally run Linux. That's the best option in my opinion but I may be forced to use Windows.

 
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