Discuss Kourse 2

[neverendingo]

Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:22 am

Here everybody can discuss kourse 2 or give feedback.

Here everybody can discuss kourse 2 or give feedback.

[msoeken]

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:22 am

Wow, there are already some screencasts and it is still saturday! I want to note that I do not think that using the notes plasmoid for annotations is not the best idea. How about using subtitle files (srt). I saw in a thread in an other forum, that you can merge videos with subtitle files to another video with mencoder. There would be the advantage of translating the subtitle files when they are in the repository. I really could imagine that screencasts can be some kind of handbook of the next generation, but then they have to be easily translated.

Wow, there are already some screencasts and it is still saturday! I want to note that I do not think that using the notes plasmoid for annotations is not the best idea. How about using subtitle files (srt). I saw in a thread in an other forum, that you can merge videos with subtitle files to another video with mencoder. There would be the advantage of translating the subtitle files when they are in the repository. I really could imagine that screencasts can be some kind of handbook of the next generation, but then they have to be easily translated.

[Zarin]

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:28 am

Possibly OT but:

Or just use voice... I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that absolutely hates screencasts that write text on the screen as a form of communication. Even if you have a really bad accent having speech is far more professional than pausing what you are doing just so the user can read. The added advantage of using voice is that you can describe what you are doing while you actually do it, I'd love to see you do that with text.

Either use speech or describe the video externally of the stream. That's my rule.

Possibly OT but:

Or just use voice... I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that absolutely hates screencasts that write text on the screen as a form of communication. Even if you have a really bad accent having speech is far more professional than pausing what you are doing just so the user can read. The added advantage of using voice is that you can describe what you are doing [b]while[/b] you actually do it, I'd love to see you do that with text.

Either use speech or describe the video externally of the stream. That's my rule.

[msoeken]

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:42 am

Yes, voice and subtitles can exists side by side. If you do not want to hear the audio you can mute it. And because audio and video streams are seperated, an alternative audio stream in another language can be produced. If we use subtitle files they can also be turned off. Here are some interesting ressources:

http://www.gnu.org/fry/happy-birthday-to-gnu-in-your-language.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subrip

Yes, voice and subtitles can exists side by side. If you do not want to hear the audio you can mute it. And because audio and video streams are seperated, an alternative audio stream in another language can be produced. If we use subtitle files they can also be turned off. Here are some interesting ressources:

[url]http://www.gnu.org/fry/happy-birthday-to-gnu-in-your-language.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subrip[/url]

[Zarin]

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:49 am

If subtitles were used I'd highly recommend using SubStation Alpha (SSA/****) instead of SubRip as the format is so much nicer to use and the end result looks much better due to the larger amount of formatting options available.

If subtitles were used I'd highly recommend using SubStation Alpha (SSA/****) instead of SubRip as the format is so much nicer to use and the end result looks much better due to the larger amount of formatting options available.

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[einar]

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:50 am

The Dolphin screencast by sebas is a good example of use of notes plasmoid to describe the stuff. I admit, it's not the best idea, but it's the one that requires less work, as I wanted the entry barrier for this to be as low as possible. (.srt is a good idea, though)
It's not the first time I try a decoupled description/video thing, but last time - see KDE-Promo ML archives - the stuff just died out (also for my lack of time).

Video annotations would be neat, but they're available only on YouTube, hence, non-Free only format.

The Dolphin screencast by sebas is a good example of use of notes plasmoid to describe the stuff. I admit, it's not the best idea, but it's the one that requires less work, as I wanted the entry barrier for this to be as low as possible. (.srt is a good idea, though)
It's not the first time I try a decoupled description/video thing, but last time - see KDE-Promo ML archives - the stuff just died out (also for my lack of time).

Video annotations would be neat, but they're available only on YouTube, hence, non-Free only format.

Last edited by einar on Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:51 am, edited 1 time in total.

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:09 pm

no, I'm strongly against publishing screencasts only in non-free formats, but I like the idea of subtitles, they seem to be more consistent on the video and plus, they can be translated! We have one week einar, can we try to do that? (I personally have no idea how it's done!)

no, I'm strongly against publishing screencasts only in non-free formats, but I like the idea of subtitles, they seem to be more consistent on the video and plus, they can be translated! We have one week einar, can we try to do that? (I personally have no idea how it's done!)

[einar]

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:30 pm

Let's get the screencasts finalized, then I can ask people to do an additional, note-less version and see how we can put subtitles in there.

Let's get the screencasts finalized, then I can ask people to do an additional, note-less version and see how we can put subtitles in there.

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:43 pm

yup! That's a good idea!

yup! That's a good idea!

RE: Discuss Kourse 2

Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:55 pm

Re subtitles - how about this

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.ph ... 6c83800755

Re subtitles - how about this :)

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=69822&vote=good&tan=40027783&PHPSESSID=c9387ed7b62e65cd85a8da6c83800755