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virtuoso-t, nepomuk, akonadi and Kmail

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Hi!

As a former user of KDE i liked this desktop very much, but felt I was forced out of it by the growing use of both memory and CPU while lots of processes appear that make the whole system bigger and bigger.
I can see and agree with the bigger idea to create common databses that are used of differnet applications doing the same thing.
The only problem is: KDE is getting slower with every version.
And: you cant just use for example Kmail any more without getting all the rest.
So here comes my idear: have two branches of KDE: one unifying services as it is done today, and one keeping the applications for themselves each of them using its own database.
Just an idear; I myself don't usually use KDE any more, but my children and my wife do, and I will probably have to migrate them to something like Xfce or similar.
And despite it being so slow: they are used to KDE...
Just an idear...

//M
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I'm sorry but I disagree. If you like a small and fast desktop environment, why choose KDE? Xfce, LXDE and Gnome may fit your better. As a project, KDE must have it's fixed direction and value and go forward in this direction. The current direction is the big idea you say. Trying to be everything only leads to failure.
Sorry for my English.
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zasdfgbnm wrote:I'm sorry but I disagree. If you like a small and fast desktop environment, why choose KDE? Xfce, LXDE and Gnome may fit your better. As a project, KDE must have it's fixed direction and value and go forward in this direction. The current direction is the big idea you say. Trying to be everything only leads to failure.
Sorry for my English.


No problem; my english is not better.
You are probably right: trying to do everything is just asking for failure.
Thanks for your answer.

//M (using xfce now, but having been using KDE from 1998(1999?).
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Hm, you certainly address an issue there. KDe getting bigger is not a problem in my eyes, systems get bigger, and despite all those predictions I have little problems running a full blown KDE4 on hardware already a few years old. Not really old boxes, true, but that is not a requirement for me. If that is the pint, then yes, a different desktop is an alternative.
However KDE has a clear goal, and splitting every single application, every library, every framework to support two excluding strategies is not an option. Just think of someone tinkering with the thought of starting a new application / project. Does the outlook to have to support two completely different frameworks have a motivating or a frustrating affect on you in that moment ? Right: you want a clear goal, wither you agree with that or you chose an alternative.

About your peoples systems: why do you "have to" migrate them ? Especially if they like KDE as you mention ? Isn't that a decision they should make themselves ?
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I had the same problem. I boot openSUSE 12.2 with KDE 4.8.5 from a USB3 (70/20 MB/s read/write @ USB3) memory stick (on USB2) on an Athlon64 3000+/2GHz with 1 GB of 333 MHz DDR.

Kmail was small enough so I tried it. Superslow.

Fetched my 17000+ mails from gmail inbox + various folders & labels which took maybe two hours or so? I don't know.

Afterwards mysqld and akonadi is up and running consuming what? 150 MB of RAM or something? 90+ for mysqld.

Running kmail uses up another 380 MB of RAM ..

Together they use half of the processor power and I assume the other half goes to handling the USB storage ..

Database of mails over 290 MB.



Meanwhile mutt fires up opening from scratch my "Important" folder of 5700+ mails in less than a minute.

Solution?

akonadictl stop
sudo zypper remove kmail
rm -rf ~/.local/share/akonadi

Setup a filter for all mails containing BEGIN PGP MESSAGE in gmail, limit imap from gmail to last 1000 messages and change spoolfile in .muttrc to +GPG.


Now mutt fires up in about 10 seconds, uses about 5-6 MB of RAM and is useable for signing and receiving GPG mails. For regular mails I'd rather use the web interface than spend half a GB of RAM for running kmail..


(With header and message cache mutt about 3 seconds logging in, 0 seconds to fetch mail and maybe 3 more for sorting them. 371 mails and 348 kB of storage used in ~/.mutt. Things that make you go HMM! Also mutt is super awesome and you get to read much more text than the OMG PLEASE LOOK AT THESE PANELS, BUTTONS, MENUS, STATUS BARS, WINDOW DECORATION AND ALL THIS UNNECESSARY **** ALL OVER THE PLACE, 30% SPACE FOR YOUR ACTUAL MAIL CONTENT 'OUGHT TO BE ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE! Imho fyi :D)
(I never even managed to figure out how to get rid of the favorite folders area? I could get rid of message content and I could change the size somewhat of the folder list but not get rid of an empty rather optional whatever you want to use it "feature".)

Maybe I should try it on the Important folder again? Or inbox? Just for comparision.. Likely open gpg or important by default and have set an option for viewing inbox, sent mail and draft.

 
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