ANOKNUSA wrote:I can tell you what it's not for: people who know nothing of software design demanding that a developer add or removing a feature a couple people complain about at the risk of breaking something and potentially **** off a whole lotta people.

You are off base here, I'm 6 years experienced software developer (but in M$ WinForms ^_^) and I know what is huge applications code support. If a developer is afraid to touch his code it's not a good indication. Also, please read carefully, I didn't suggest to remove it. My proposal was only about an additional configuration setting that makes it possible.

ANOKNUSA wrote:I myself fail to see how two icons in the lower right-hand corner could possibly be in the way unless you have a very small screen, in which case you should probably use the netbook interface.

Miss too, I have dual screen configuration 1920x1080 and 1366x768. Everything in my system: wallpapers, plasma, GTK, decoration themes are in black and gray tones, and there as a clownery two bright red and green icons. Very sad.

tovarish wrote:If a developer is afraid to touch his code it's not a good indication. Also, please read carefully, I didn't suggest to remove it. My proposal was only about an additional configuration setting that makes it possible.

I am quite sure I mentioned that the code is not in a shape to further extend it. That makes it quite easy that I say, that I won't develop it. That's it. If anyone else feels like implementing it without adding complexity, without introducing possible new crashers I am happy to accept a review request. Up to now nobody who hates it so much stood up to write the code. I won't.

tovarish wrote:Everything in my system: wallpapers, plasma, GTK, decoration themes are in black and gray tones, and there as a clownery two bright red and green icons. Very sad.

The icons are from the used icon theme. So it's impossible that it's the only place where you have red and green. And if you don't like it: KDE offers the possibility to put all icons to grayscale - problem solved.

The icons are from the used icon theme. So it's impossible that it's the only place where you have red and green. And if you don't like it: KDE offers the possibility to put all icons to grayscale - problem solved

You are right, problem solved with custom icon theme. Thx a lot.

tovarish wrote:You are off base here, I'm 6 years experienced software developer (but in M$ WinForms ^_^) and I know what is huge applications code support. If a developer is afraid to touch his code it's not a good indication. Also, please read carefully, I didn't suggest to remove it. My proposal was only about an additional configuration setting that makes it possible.

Then get crackin', dig into the code base and write yourself a patch. Didn't take long after KDE 4 was released for someone to develop a plasmoid that eliminated that damn cashew in the corner. I understand that learning a programming language is time-consuming, but the end-users almost always find themselves in one of two positions with issues like this:
1) They complain to developers, who won't listen to what they have to say because the devs know the user's gonna buy the final product anyway or, if not, someone else will.
2) They complain to the developers, who won't listen because, having spent a great deal of time coding the software for no compensation, they lack the resources and energy to address the desires of every person out there who's contributing nothing but complaints.
Criticism is all well and good, and designers and developers should listen to it; however, sitting on a forum and ranting and raving that "my icons don't sit exactly where I want them to or look the way I'd like them to" is not something that's gonna receive a great deal of support or attention. File a feature request, make your case, and track it. KDE's got a pretty good track record of integrating good ideas; they've also got an established good track record of ignoring angry mobs at the gate.

Personally I can see why the plus and minus buttons should be optional. The devices I create using Gentoo and KDE are often used by individuals where they are likely to accidentally click such buttons which would result in support calls to myself. Having the ability to reduce functionality is as important as the ability to increase it.

Being open source though, we have the ability to make these changes without involving the original developer.