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In the kdeglobals you can enable the macstyle. The menubars won't be displayed inside the window. But they are also not display anywhere else. I think last year in playground a menubar-Plasmoid was started but it was not finished.
The Top-Level Menubar would be really nice, because you would have an additional panel without losing space. The remaining space in the panel not used by the menubar should be used for useful Plasmoids. (In KDE3 I could do that with the Panel-Addons)

The User

Bespin ships with the XBar plasmoid, which will display these menus.

http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.ph ... tent=63928 ?

Thank you, it works!

I wouldn't really call that "implemented".

The Mac OS menu bar is such a basic thing that just implementing that in an external developed style isn't enough. It should work with any style and be available from the basic KDE package. IMHO KDE 4 itself is still missing the Mac OS menu bar and too much euphoria about KDEs features isn't helpful either.

Second that. XBar only works with Bespin which radically changes your window decorations. I think this feature can only be marked as implemented when XBar isn't dependant on Bespin.

mensch wrote:Second that. XBar only works with Bespin which radically changes your window decorations. I think this feature can only be marked as implemented when XBar isn't dependant on Bespin.

Not necessarily the window decorations. You can still use whatever you want for the windeco, but not the widget style. Which is a pity, of course. I love the XBar but I'm not all that fond of the bespin style.

So yeah. I agree it shouldn't be considered implemented. Besides, I'd love XBar (or the "official" replacement if the one in playground is further developed) would "grab" the menus for gtk/gnome apps too.

So, please, could one of the mods move this back to the brainstorm forum, as this would enable people to vote for that feature? It is simply not true that this is implemented in KDE, it's implemented in Bespin and that is a) not part of KDE itself and b) a work around with so HUGE side effects, that it's not an alternative for many users.

The missing Mac OS menu bar was an issue from the first days of KDE 4. First Lubos Lunak promised to take a look at that "somewhen post 4.0" then Aaron Seigo referred to the plasmoid in playground which should be usable in 4.1 or 4.2 (which it is not) and now this still missing feature gets silently declared as "implemented" because of the existance of Bespin?!

Come on, you can't be serious about that.

Idea reopened.

Thank you very much!

Indeed, I would like this implemented in all styles. Not just bespin.

Bespin is nice, but it is really buggy and feels kludgy at times. I heard that recently gnome has gained this ability (and in a non-hacky way too), dearly love to see it in oxygen.

When I use bespin with xbar, I always feel like I have more screen real estate available to me than with menubars integrated into the window. Doubly so if autohide is enabled.

If you want to know more regarding this, I suggest that you take a look at the following links:
KDE4 and the MacOS-menubar
Mac-style menubar for KDE 4 and others

Thanks, Hans, for the links. Referring to the first one: I think we all know that there has been a lot of discussion about that Menu bar. What I simply don't understand is: Everytime someone asks for that feature, someone else stands up and explains that it's a bad concept. Well, then simply don't use it. I know that I want it and I don't want somebody to explain to me that I don't want it. It's all about choice. Sometimes it looks to me like some stubborn people feel personally threatened by the option to use a Mac OS style menu bar in "their" KDE. Could it be that there is some amount of "Applephobia" in the KDE community?

The second one is more interesting: Although I'm a regular planet-kde reader, I missed that one. What makes it interesting is, that the author of the stalled menu bar plasmoid claims plasma made it very complex to port the old code. I thought, one of plasmas design goals was to overcome exactly these old limitations of kicker and by that making it easier to realize things that needed ugly hacks in kicker. And in one comment Aaron answers it would be "beyond trivial" to solve the problems the author mentions. If it's so: Why do we still do not have a working Mac OS menubar, after several years of KDE 4 development and over a year after the release of 4.0?

I'm loosing my faith that this to me important feature will come back to KDE anytime soon, and I'm a bit disappointed to see KDE falling back behind Gnome in this relation

Okay. You are right. The XBar is not a real solution.

i also think that a global-menu is a core-feature that should be implemented in KDE. It was in KDE 3.x and should be available in KDE 4.x also.

But in my opinition alone for performance issues not as a plasmoid but as a real menu-bar... or let me put it like that: only as a plasmoid when it is 99% of the non-plasmoid performance.

I used the gnome-global-menu and it is very good. KDE should definitely as an option have something like that.

Does QT4 support it or is a lack of support there the reason why it is not still there?