Hi,
don't know what to search for - for  this feature request!
May be others already posted about.. when using randomized playlists,

I'm more interested in tracks I'm just listen to than in the skipped tracks
I already know or don't like... wait -
I could uncheck 'remove played tracks' and remove unwanted tracks manually...
but it's not the same, skipping advances the cursor line -
and delete interrupts normal listen behavior...  and who needs the current behavior anyway?

how about starting your question again, and thinking about what you want to ask a little more clearly, rather than posting streams of consciousness?

pardon me!

The subject say's it pretty clear - when playing tracks from a random list,
I'm more interested in tracks I'm just heard - rather than in tracks I skipped.

It's kind of reverse logic in random playlist handling.

'hope I made my point now...

Amarok just doesn't keep track of whether it's a played track or a skipped track - once you've moved on, you've moved on. If you don't want to see skipped tracks, have you tried removing them from the playlist when you skip them?

Why overcomplicate a simple play method?

Amarok just doesn't keep track of whether it's a played track or a skipped track

Not quite right - there is an option 'remove played tracks'

I'm just recently explored the random playlist features.
With the option checked by default, I've got a list of skipped items.

Now, what do you do with a list of skipped items?

What I suggest, would result in a more usable outcome:
a new playlist of what I've had listen to.

With more than 10000 tracks, it's quite refreshing to hear some 'lost tracks'
and skipping can be done with just a single 'two handed' key (Win+B)
without really breaking my current work flow - at the day's end,
I would have a new playlist ready to be saved

Ah, you're getting bogged down in semantics. I understand now why you're getting confused, but there's not really any other way to word it... perhaps "remove processed tracks" better describes what actually happens.

Do you mean you've manually skipped tracks, or that they are unavailable for the playlist to play?

You can create smart playlists that do what you want, and then use these as a source for a custom dynamic playlist. Check out the Amarok handbook for more information on how to do this!

Sorry, I didn't quite understand what you meant.

perhaps "remove processed tracks" better describes what actually happens

Right-click on 'Random Mix' - click 'Edit' gives you a window with two items,
- the first one is 'remove played tracks' (checked by default)
- and the other is the nr of items in list.

This gives you a choice between
'unmodified list, regardless of items skipped or heard' and
'items just heard removed, leaving only skipped tracks in list'
- do you agree?

Either outcome is not really useful...
- do you still agree?

Now a view from usability & handling:
I'm listen to music while doing other work - skipping a track can be done

with just a single 'two handed' key (Win+B)

That's a really nice feature - you don't even have to think about 'in the middle of a word', thus the workflow you're in isn't interrupted!
This is (from the usability & handling view) an important aspect
- do you agree as well?

Now back again to what the user is left with, after playing a random play list.

Given that neither outcome from current handling gives the user anything useful,
I suggest a change that would we useful at the end: A play list of heard tracks.

I really don't get the point of this thread. Is it just me?

Could you just point me to where you can't follow my line of thoughts!
There are seven paragraphs - it can't be that hard

Look, to answer your question (I think) ... no, personally I don't see the point of changing the behaviour. Did you look at smart playlists? they do what you want. The idea is that you won't skip tracks because the tracks you'd skip would not be in your playlist in the first place.

Read the handbook.

And to summarise,

Right-click "smart playlists" in the playlist browser and select "add new playlist"
Set the rules you want (for example "playcount > 5")
Save the playlist with a meaningful name
Right-click "dynamic playlists" and select "add new playlist"
in the list at the left, select the smart playlist you just created.
Set any other conditions you want
Save the dynamic playlist with a meaningful name
Load the dynamic playlist and listen to the music you usually listen to.

The idea of removing a track that's been skipped is cute, but as I pointed out before, amarok doesn't make a note of whether a track was PLAYED or whether it was SKIPPED. The dialogue refers to "PLAYED TRACKS" but it *means* "ALL TRACKS WHICH HAVE BEEN PLAYED OR SKIPPED AS PART OF THE PLAYBACK PROCESS".
Can you see how this would look very untidy in a dialogue box?

I've got the impression, I'm talking to somebody not listening...
- I've questioned the current random list handling, made my point and asked:

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH EITHER OUTCOME, respective to the option 'remove played tracks' in random play lists

and proposed a (minor) change in random play list handling.

Right-click "smart playlists" in the playlist browser and select "add new playlist"
Set the rules you want (for example "playcount > 5")
Save the playlist with a meaningful name
Right-click "dynamic playlists" and select "add new playlist"
in the list at the left, select the smart playlist you just created.
Set any other conditions you want
Save the dynamic playlist with a meaningful name
Load the dynamic playlist and listen to the music you usually listen to.

Compare this to the effect of my proposed changes:
Load random list at 8 o'clock and start playing
Occasionally, hit Win+B if you're annoyed or just don't like the sound in context.
At five o'clock you're done, heard some great tracks long forgotten: save your play list for the day, DONE

Doesn't it sound quite useful?

Each to their own, I guess. I'm listening, but it seems you're not understanding my replies. In each post I've given my opinion... then offered ways amarok can be used to do something similar to what I think you're asking. Maybe if anyone else can work out what you mean they might post their own opinion - but really, all you've asked is "what do you think of the idea" - my answer was "I don't see the point"

Perhaps you're just not clear. Or perhaps you need to submit code to explain it - or give an example of some other player that demonstrates what on earth you mean. Smart playlists are great, much more flexible than you'd think  - if you're not prepared to learn about them, then that's your prerogative.

As you suggested:

tilderb wrote:
Given that neither outcome from current handling gives the user anything useful,
I suggest a change that would we useful at the end: A play list of heard tracks.

This is exactly what the sequence I've given you will do - maybe it's not the one-click solution you want, but we don't always get everything we ask for.

This thread gets funny...

Perhaps you're just not clear.

what I think you're asking

I gave you ample opportunities to ask - I even slowed my pace down to 'do you agree?'

And I asked you

Could you just point me to where you can't follow my line of thoughts!
There are seven paragraphs - it can't be that hard

Which you decided to ignore.

The idea is that you won't skip tracks because the tracks you'd skip would not be in your playlist in the first place.

Is it magic - how can it be known before being played?

but as I pointed out before, amarok doesn't make a note of whether a track was PLAYED or whether it was SKIPPED.
The dialogue refers to "PLAYED TRACKS" but it *means* "ALL TRACKS WHICH HAVE BEEN PLAYED OR SKIPPED AS PART OF THE PLAYBACK PROCESS".
Can you see how this would look very untidy in a dialogue box?

What you are talking about?
There is no dialog box - just an option in 'random list preference': 'remove played tracks'

The idea of removing a track that's been skipped is cute,

Amarok does it already for tracks being played in random play lists!

maybe it's not the one-click solution you want

The first sign of understanding in your posting...

Should we carry on?

i think the workflow described by tilderb sounds usefull.
Could this be achieved by using the rating mechanism ?
Skipping a title would then lower its rating.
Your playlist at the end of the day could be titles recently played without titles with lowered rating.

HTH

rawdlite wrote:Could this be achieved by using the rating mechanism ?
Skipping a title would then lower its rating.
Your playlist at the end of the day could be titles recently played without titles with lowered rating.

HTH

yes, using smart playlists in combination with dynamic playlists.