Did you ever have a look at recent Amarok 2.2.2 or 2.2-git? Apparently not...

Just for the record: we did not eliminate any features, there are just some features not there yet. Rewriting a whole application the size of Amarok takes time. If you would really follow Amarok development instead of talking about past issues you would know that. You would then also know that we collaborate with Usability experts and we do listen to users. And usability-wise Amarok 1.4.x was not exactly that brilliant, on the contrary, I always found it complicated to use, not exactly user-friendly.

If some people want to lose their time coding on an obsolete codebase they can, but their time would be much better invested in joining the Amarok team and help us improve it.
There are only 24 hours in a day and all developers are working hard on making Amarok better every day since over 3 years when the coding of the Amarok 2 series started, we just can't do miracles. While we care for our users, the words patience, consideration and encouragement seem not to be part of the vocabulary of some of them, though. But yes, it is so much easier to shout at people, especially when not face to face...

Also there will always be people living in the past, not much we can do about that...

As I am no native english speaker I had to correct a little bit in my former text, hopefully without changing the meaning! Martin

mhl wrote:In this area I especially talk about basic functions. E.g.:

- the ability to play audio CDs

A typical user would not disable auto-installation of package Recommends. You did and now you face consequences of amarok not playing CDs by default. Install kdemultimedia-kio-plugins package.

Excuse me, MoDaX - I haven't been following this, but are you saying that Amarok *can* play audio CDs? I'm running 2.2.2, and can't see any way to do that. And I certainly don't install packages without depends.

Hello MoDaX",

thank you for your help. But as this is the wrong place, see
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=85040&p=143491#p143490
and my answer over there.

Regards, Martin

annew wrote:Excuse me, MoDaX - I haven't been following this, but are you saying that Amarok *can* play audio CDs? I'm running 2.2.2, and can't see any way to do that. And I certainly don't install packages without depends.

It is supposed to since 2.2.0: http://amarok.kde.org/de/node/699

Mamarok wrote:usability-wise Amarok 1.4.x was not exactly that brilliant, on the contrary, I always found it complicated to use, not exactly user-friendly.

Fair enough. But I loved the usability of 1.4, so I guess we have different ideas about usability.

If some people want to lose their time coding on an obsolete codebase they can, but their time would be much better invested in joining the Amarok team and help us improve it.

The saddest thing about Amarok 2 is that it's no longer the killer app people could use to make their PC/Mac friends envious - and even interested in open-source! It's difficult to do that now, because it's turned into - basically - iTunes with fiddly little extra features which don't work very well. Maybe they work for you and if they do, that's great ... but they don't work for other people. Meanwhile recompiled sources of 1.4 are still running bug free on my Fedora installations. Official Amarok 2 releases don't.

It's great to see that a lot of enthusiasm is going in to cleaning up the code. The icing on the cake would be a less radical departure from the PC-slaying user interface of Amarok 1.4.

peterhjr wrote:Meanwhile recompiled sources of 1.4 are still running bug free on my Fedora installations.

I second that. Up until a couple nights ago when I went from FC10 to FC12 1.4.7 was still running flawless minus the loss of the cover manager functionality.

MoDaX wrote:

annew wrote:Excuse me, MoDaX - I haven't been following this, but are you saying that Amarok *can* play audio CDs? I'm running 2.2.2, and can't see any way to do that. And I certainly don't install packages without depends.

It is supposed to since 2.2.0: http://amarok.kde.org/de/node/699

Well, it says there "Insert an Audio CD and it will show up in the Collection Browser". I don't see it. Nor can I find it in the menus. Attempting to Add Media refuses to accept the CD. Notifier offers me 'Play CD with Amarok' - but it doesn't play.

annew wrote:Well, it says there "Insert an Audio CD and it will show up in the Collection Browser". I don't see it. Nor can I find it in the menus. Attempting to Add Media refuses to accept the CD. Notifier offers me 'Play CD with Amarok' - but it doesn't play.

Exactly the same at my installation (2.2.1). But can you continue at this place?:
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=85040&start=0%20
Martin

FWIW, CDs play very well here since Amarok 2.2.0, with one single bug coming back from time to time, which is a bug in Phonon, not in Amarok: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207579

Using Amarok 2.2-git of today, KDE 4.4 RC 1 on Kubuntu 9.10, no Pulseaudio, using the phonon-backend-xine

BTW, there are a few other bugs related to CD playing, all in Phonon...