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Features from Juk and WMP that need import...Long.

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Joe Schmoe
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First, a question: Why the hell is the context menu font so hard to change?

I am a Juk user...always have been, but as amarok advances, I am more and more impressed with the speed and feature-list.

\"Playlist from Folder\"....I believe that having this feature will bring over a lot of people (like me) from Juk.

I love the simplicity of Juk, and I got excited when I saw there was a Juk mode in Amarok...but I was lied to...it\'s NOTHING like Juk...Ugh, the default view is like nails on a blackboard...As someone else on here said:

\"Though after playing around with the program I decided to go back to juk. The amarok way of handling playlists is just completely alien and uncomfortable to me.\"

I couldn\'t agree more.

But, before you think this a troll, I am determined to work with Amarok, and try to get at least a few options added that I need.

THINGS IT NEEDS:

1.) Playlist from Folder - absolutely necessary. If you group your music into folders \"Like I do\", then this is absolutely vital.

2.) A \"Collection\" view, like in Juk that shows everything, and in the right pane. I hate hate hate the \"By Artist\" grouping that I have to do, and that is the one I hate the least. I don\'t listen to genres, that\'s what I have folders for!

3.) A rating system, that is as easy as WMP. Click on stars, done. No more effort than that. This is my gf\'s request. This is about all she uses in WMP that she prefers...

THINGS I LOVE:

1.) Wiki integration - FROM THE GODS. Never would have thought of it. Came out of left field and jerked me off. I love this.

2.) Lyrics - holy ****. I actually felt lips caressing my butt cheeks on this one. The lyrics to \"Pour Some Sugar on Me\" don\'t include \"Hamma lamma ding dong\"? No way!

3.) Love the option to switch to the Context view on click. Great feature.

4.) OSD - it\'s repositionable? It\'s like a reach-around every time.

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Gleb Litvjak
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I hate hate hate the \\"By Artist\\" grouping that I have to do, and that is the one I hate the least


Why?


A rating system, that is as easy as WMP. Click on stars, done. No more effort than that


Excuse me, I haven\'t used WMP, so what is this clicking on stars about? Is it like "Your favourite songs" in amaroK?

OSD - it\'s repositionable?


Of course it is! Go to Settings -> Configure amaroK -> OSD and drag it where you want it.
Joe Schmoe
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blaster999 wrote:
I hate hate hate the \\"By Artist\\" grouping that I have to do, and that is the one I hate the least


Why?


Because if you don\'t have perfect tags, it\'s extremely annoying to click on the little arrows in a bunch of Artists...

>The Whites Strips
>White Stripes
>whit stripes

Although, I am loving the tag editor (like Juk), so the tags are getting cleaned up, but still....annoying to be forced like that. Check out Juk\'s default. It would be nice to at least have the OPTION to have it like that.

Excuse me, I haven\'t used WMP, so what is this clicking on stars about? Is it like "Your favourite songs" in amaroK?


You just rate songs with stars. It\'s like in Netflix with the Javascripty stars that lock with a click. Very intuitive.

Of course it is! Go to Settings -> Configure amaroK -> OSD and drag it where you want it.


I was just joking. I love that thing.
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oggb4mp3
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If you like juK\'s way of doing things (being collection centric as opposed to playlist centric), perhaps it would be better to bug the juK devs to integrate the things you like in amaroK into juK instead of trying to make amaroK into juK.

Also, in the file browser, drag your folder to the playlist. Is that what you mean by playlist from folder?
Joe Schmoe
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oggb4mp3 wrote:
If you like juK\'s way of doing things (being collection centric as opposed to playlist centric), perhaps it would be better to bug the juK devs to integrate the things you like in amaroK into juK instead of trying to make amaroK into juK.

Also, in the file browser, drag your folder to the playlist. Is that what you mean by playlist from folder?


Oh, I knew that someone was going to be the grumpy old man.

"We don\'t like change around here, sonny, go take your new-fangled ideas back to Hippytown!"

Give me a break. Amarok has piles of features I prefer over Amarok, and if you had actually read through my post, you would have seen that the changes are minor. I am trying to write patches, myself, but not having piles of luck.
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Jocke "Firetech" Andersson
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Joe Schmoe wrote:
"We don\'t like change around here, sonny, go take your new-fangled ideas back to Hippytown!"

Well... There is a "friendly war" going on between (the users of) amaroK, JuK and XMMS. Posts like there are by some people considered trollish... This is especially the case for "amaroK absolutely has to have these functions from JuK" posts, because the devs get to see a lot of those...


Don't care about my post count. I'm an IRC guy, occational hacker and part of roKymotion.

"I will run gentoo when pigs fly. By the time that happens, I'll have a sufficient computer."
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oggb4mp3
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I\'m really not trying to be the grumpy old man (I may be old, but I don\'t like to think of myself as grumpy), I was trying to point out (perhaps badly) that amaroK is meant to be used in a way that is very different from the way juK is meant to be used. Some people prefer the simplicity of juK, while others like the amaroK way of doing things. You obviously would prefer the way juK handles the collection and playlists to the way amaroK handles them, you said so yourself. Since this is a fundamental design difference, it is only practical to say that we can improve juK by implementing some of the cool features of amaroK.

I won\'t pretend to speak for them, but I was simply trying to say that the juK way of doing things is not necessarily the favored way of doing things amongst the amaroK devs. This should really be evident from the fact that amaroK was started after juK was part of KDE, and has evolved in a different direction.
Joe Schmoe
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Firetech wrote:
Joe Schmoe wrote:
"We don\'t like change around here, sonny, go take your new-fangled ideas back to Hippytown!"

Well... There is a "friendly war" going on between (the users of) amaroK, JuK and XMMS. Posts like there are by some people considered trollish... This is especially the case for "amaroK absolutely has to have these functions from JuK" posts, because the devs get to see a lot of those...



Oh snore. Are you always this sensitive?
Let me repeat (since you obviously didn\'t read the original): I DIG AMAROK.

Perhaps, if they see a "lot" of these-type posts, that should say something?
I mean, if you\'re going to have a "JuK mode" then why doesn\'t it function like JuK?.....Ohhhhhh, gotcha there....
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oggb4mp3
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Joe Schmoe wrote:
I mean, if you\'re going to have a "JuK mode" then why doesn\'t it function like JuK?.....Ohhhhhh, gotcha there....


Well, it isn\'t a work like juK mode, it\'s a look like juK mode, as opposed to look like XMMS mode.
Joe Schmoe
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oggb4mp3 wrote:
Joe Schmoe wrote:
I mean, if you\'re going to have a "JuK mode" then why doesn\'t it function like JuK?.....Ohhhhhh, gotcha there....


Well, it isn\'t a work like juK mode, it\'s a look like juK mode, as opposed to look like XMMS mode.


Total cop-out.
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oggb4mp3
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Not at all. The exact wording on the first-run wizard is \"With amaroK you can use the window layout that you find most comfortable.\" It what universe does window layout mean functions like?
Joe Schmoe
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oggb4mp3 wrote:
Not at all. The exact wording on the first-run wizard is "With amaroK you can use the window layout that you find most comfortable." It what universe does window layout mean functions like?


Jesus, you must be an engineer. I don\'t know one person who just wants to use a program, that would ever say that. You aren\'t supposed to say the users are doing things wrong if they are confusing. Having a "Juk mode" that doesn\'t work like Juk is confusing and a bit lame.
Dan
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\"With amaroK you can use the window layout that you find most comfortable.
You can change these settings at a later time using the configuration dialog.\"

Ya, that says nothing about functionality.

Why would amaroK incorporate a copy of juk in it? wouldn\'t that be silly?
Joe Schmoe
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Dan wrote:
"With amaroK you can use the window layout that you find most comfortable.
You can change these settings at a later time using the configuration dialog."

Ya, that says nothing about functionality.

Why would amaroK incorporate a copy of juk in it? wouldn\'t that be silly?


Copy? You obviously have never programmed with kdelibs and QT before. It\'s very simple to do complicated things. Enabling a few features would be child\'s play to the amarok devs. I have read all of the usability discussions on here, and many think the same way. It\'s just a matter of them knowing how important it is and how many people want it AS AN OPTION. I am not talking about changing the defaults.
Dan
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Want want want.

I want a pony

if its that easy to implement,
show code or don\'t show your face again!


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