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geitosten
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The below is quoted from the thread "case sensitive collection" in "general discussion" (excerpt).
The discussion seems to be moving in the direction of whether or not artist names should be case sensitive in the collecion and thus treat e.g. Metallica and metallica as two different artists. I would like to hear the community's opinion on this.

'case sensitive collection' in 'general discussion' wrote:geitosten
Re: case sensitive collection
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 07:18:53 AM »

Thanks for the highly informative and useful replies...
Of course I have to retag it. The problem is that if you rip a cd with e.g. Grip the tags are loaded automatically from an online database, as you might kno
w. I would like not having to bother checking whether the case on each letter of the artist I'm going to rip matches entries I already have in my collection
or not.


dangle_wtf
Re: case sensitive collection
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 06:25:19 PM »

You realise you can EDIT the tags in grip before you go ahead and rip your CD? In fact this really is an important step, due to the massive amount of badly
spelled, poorly capitalised entries in the freedb.

geitosten
Re: case sensitive collection
« Reply #6 on: Today at 06:59:56 AM »

Yes, I know that.
That's what I meant by saying I don't want to check the case every time I rip. Spelling is easy to discover. To remember whether the previous rip of metalli
ca was spelled with capital m or not is worse...
And I still don't see any reason why artist names should be distinguished by the case of the letters.

ehird
Re: case sensitive collection
« Reply #7 on: Today at 07:07:46 AM »

METALLICA is not metallica, therefore it would be a bug to treat them the same. If you're lazy and don't want to take, oh, 3 seconds to fix tags, then deal
with it.

geitosten
Re: case sensitive collection
« Reply #8 on: Today at 07:30:56 AM »

I do not agree.
There are certainly different artists/bands with the same name out there, but you usually can't separate them by the case of the letters in their names anyw
ay. And a quick look at my metallica CDs showed that they spell it at least like "METALLICA" and "Metallica". The capitalised version could of course be sai
d to be due to the 'convention' of writing in capitals on CD covers and that metallica is a name and should therefore be written with a capital M.
But what do you do with names with more than one word then? A lot of people write the first letter of each word with a capital letter. Others capitalise the
first letter only...

Before this develops into an argument let me say that I am aware that it is very easy to fix this manually as has been pointed out. But as I said; I don't s
ee any problem what so ever in making it easier for the user and ignore the case when distinguishing between artists.

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I'm in favor of making them case-insensitive. I can't think of any examples of two bands whose names differ only by capitalization, and why not add a tiny bit of convenience for people with inconsistent id3 tags?
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Mindfield mindFIELD

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Why not default to case-sensitivity, and have an option that lets people turn it off if it's a problem?

Doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Just checking that you all realise that while the DISPLAY of artists is case sensitive, searches and queries are case INsensitive?  That's more of an issue, IMO.


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Hatta wrote:Why not default to case-sensitivity, and have an option that lets people turn it off if it's a problem?

Doesn't have to be one or the other.


Hear hear! Customisability is a good thing.
An option to do a case sensitive search is also a good thing for those who need it.
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Interesting example, dangle_wtf. There's an analogous problem, of course, of different bands that have the same name (there have been at least two separate bands named "Nirvana", for example). Grouping artists case-insensitively just increases the number of artists that have this problem. My id3 tags are all correct, and I have no bands that differ only through capitalization, so this doesn't really affect me either way.

But, since the original poster was interested in collecting people's opinions, I would imagine that I would be more likely to benefit from case-insensitive matching than from potentially more accurate distinction of bands.

Re: searching. I actually like it the way it is, and would rather it not change (or at least, would rather than case-insensitivity be the default search mode). If I'm trying to find something, I like not having to bother with capitalization (and would rather not lose search results if I forget to capitalize the band name). I can definitely see how having it as an option would be useful, though (particularly when creating a smart playlist, for example).
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It's very simple - tag your files properly and such problems do not arise...end of story.
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There are a few situations where problems do arise... currently wma files only come in lower case variances... you can rename the files and when you open amarok again they are all lower case again. So if you happen to have a legacy collection of wma files and you don't particularly what to convert them or rip them from cd again (or worse you have lost the original) this can be a pain. I can hear you saying don't use WMA files and for the most part I agree with you. But I can't guarantee this isn't going to be a problem with other file formats too.

Also I have had issues where I have renamed files in Amarok and had the names revert when Amarok decided it needed to rebuild its database... I honestly can't see any harm in having the database being case insensitive at least as an option
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Case sensivity *IS* important.
Another example is Beck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck) versus BECK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Soundtrack_1:Beck)


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This can be a problem even with case sensitivity - there are at least 6 bands world wide called Coda for instance... at least 2 called fourplay....
I am thinking that a way of differentiating bands with the same name here could be useful solution to the problem.
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I think there should at least be an option to make artist names case insensitive. It can be very annoying where you have the same artist 3 times in your list.

I understand that people should have there tags in order but it would be alot easier for me and lots of others to have this option. I ripped a few "me first and the gimme gimmes" albums but the tag info from freedb are all different so i now have 4 different entries because different people capitilized different words.
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I do not really understand what you mean. As for me I like it case sensitive - if you don't just tag your stuff properly. And to disable casesensivity will force users to have workarounds for bands that have almost the same name...


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