I have been a big supporter of Amarok for a while now, but this version 2 is a mess.
Can't play cd's without apparently faffing around with files. No equilizer.

I can see what you are trying to do : Make the player an internet down-loader for music. But the options such as magnatune are total rubbish. They might be better if they worked (Fedora 11 KDE user).

What are you trying to do, drive me back to the Windows media player. 

Well you would do if it were not for Kaffeine.

You Know what they say "If it aint broke - Don't fix it.  Sorry to complain guys, but I want the old Amarok. By all means expand your Ideas, but do it within the framework that works well already.

Should be in General.
F11 uses outdated 2.0.2, so update to latest 2.1.1.
And check Fedora page for problems with Amarok 2 before blaming here.
Audio CDs will be back in 2.2
Equilizer depends on phonon, so not necessary a Amarok issue.
Amarok 2 is not version 2 of the old Amarok. It is a complete new application, which is still under development.
And Amarok is a music manager. So if you don't like the internet features turn them off.
First inform yourself, because postings like this don't help at all.

m0nk

"By all means expand your Ideas, but do it within the framework that works well already."

This is exactly the reason why we decided to do a major rewrite/restructuring instead of "just" porting Amarok 1.4.x to Qt 4. While Amarok 1.4.x worked very wall as an application, as a framework for further developments it had reached the end of the line. Due to the tight coupling between may parts of the code, and the overall messyness of some parts, together with a quite rigid UI that did not allow additional features to be added in a clean way, adding many of the ideas we had for moving forwards on top of this code base was next to impossible.

So yes, Amarok 2 is a quite radical departure from the well known Amarok 1, and its still not (especially 2.0.2, version 2.1.1 is a already _much_ better and 2.2 will close most of the remaining gaps) at complete feature parity (and some features might neve rmake it back in exactly the same for they once had) but on the other hand it has potential to reach mush further (and do so much faster) than Amarok 1 ever had.

As a team, we are trying to make the best player possible and we believed, and still belive, that Amarok 2 is the right way to go about this, even if the first few version are a bit "rough".

- Nikolaj

Just stick with 1.4...

Installing Amarok 1.4 inKDE4 is not so obvious (but solutions exist after some hours of investigation).

Is there any plan to port Amarok 1.4 on Qt4 ?
This would give the choice between two Amarok versions considering a lot of people prefer Amarok 1.4 by far

L_V wrote:Is there any plan to port Amarok 1.4 on Qt4 ?
This would give the choice between two Amarok versions considering a lot of people prefer Amarok 1.4 by far

No. What you don't understand is that it is simply impossible to port Amarok 1.4 to Qt4, this would be an impossible task. This is also the main reason the developers had to start working on Amarok 2. It makes development much easier.

BTW, if you have a glimpse at the current development version, you would know that Amarok 2 is not only almost feature par with Amarok 1.4, but it also has a lot of new features that were not present in Amarok 1.4. Don't miss the future And it is as easy to install a local copy of the development version than installing 1.4 in KDE 4

Future is  future, but the problem today  is that users are "forced" to switch to Qt3 to Qt4 (KDE3 -> KDE4).
I don't remember people complaining of features and UI of Amarok 1.
Then why changing everything for version 2 without user feedback  ?
It is always dangerous to leave development alone decides what is good for users.

example: why having now big buttons on top/left  instead of small ones at the bottom ?
The UI is now hard to understand and to manage, and does not look good.

Two times I tried Amarok 2, but back to Amarok 1.4 with some difficulties because KDE distributions were not prepared to.

Good luck for the "future".
This will may be open another door for today's solution.

L_V wrote:
Then why changing everything for version 2 without user feedback  ?
It is always dangerous to leave development alone decides what is good for users.

But you have to remember that the first thing what an open source dev wants to have is an app which is designed as it is good for HIM. Not at first for the Community. In a second step he may do some user suggested changes but no Open Source dev would program a Prog with a design to that he doesnt agree himself.

And if youre honestly, you must see that amarok 2 is nearly equal to 1.4 now and on a way to own it hard.....


Greets

"the first thing what an open source dev wants to have is an app which is designed as it is good for HIM. Not at first for the Community."

Sorry to not understand what tat means.
KDE4 platform is now 2 years old.

Don't care of what " dev wants " but care of what users want or like.

L_V wrote:Don't care of what " dev wants " but care of what users want or like.

What you don't get is that the developers are also users, who probably use Amarok much more than anybody else
Did you at least had a look at the current Amarok 2.2-git? Else you really should think before talking.

Stating that KDE4 is 2 years old is showing that you really have no idea about the work that lies behind Amarok 2. The developers started to consider a Qt4 version almost 4 years ago, and the development work started more than 3 years ago. If you had only the slightest idea about software development, you would know that this represents an enormous work done it quite a short time. Amarok 2 is more advanced now in 2.2-git than Amarok 1.4 ever was.

So, one last time:
- this is free software
- you do not demand, you do wish
- if you want a feature, ask kindly
- collaborate instead of whining
- if you can't code, pay a developer.

"If you had only the slightest idea about software development"

Are you sure ? Or you just bet ?

I do not ask anything, I just make observations about the switch between Qt3 and Qt4.
Users don't care at all of what is "Qt3 or 4", they just suffer of the technical transition they did not ask for.
Amarok 1.4 on Qt4 would have been perfect, at least to start, waiting for the "future", that's all.

The big mistake of KDE distributions is to not propose Amarok14 and Amarok 2 for the "future".

=> Install Amarok 1.4 in Ubuntu 9.04

L_V wrote:
Don't care of what " dev wants " but care of what users want or like.

But that is your fault, in fact, thats not the primary target of the "Open source thought". If I write a program, I do it the way I can use it the best way. Also anybody may use my Program too, that's ""free" software". And everything else is just a goodie from the develeopers, in case  they WANT to improve their things for other users. I mean, you have no right to arrogate features. You may ask for it bt if youre the only one who has that opinion and the devs don't, so you have to come clear with this. Or make your own app. 

Just be glad to enjoy such a piece of free (both ways free) software. And if you dont like it, why not using 1.4 again. Its a great software too and it works fine.

Today I am a "pro (not contra) Amarok 2 User". 6 Month before I was very unhappy about 2.0 but now almost everyhing was ported, plus: the work on Amarok 2 isnt finished yet!

"If I write a program, I do it the way I can use it the best way"

You are just allowed to think differently, and you are even free to do so.