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Hello everyone,
I'm a bit late on that topic and I haven't yet tried a build with the patched behavior but :

scottpetrovic wrote:I think a better long term solution would be to separate the "erase mode" from the brush mode. Their needs to be a dedicated eraser tool. The eraser tool should give you an option to select what type of eraser you want. You can select the brush size and properties just like you do a normal brush.

That would be just like the brush tool, but for erasing, right ? >:D I am really not sure that a dedicated eraser "tool" would be a great idea.
In my opinion, having the eraser as a blending mode available for every paint op is one of Krita's most awesome features !

scottpetrovic wrote:in the real world, an eraser is a completely different tool than a brush. This is not the case in Krita though. The eraser tool and the brush are the same - only changing the blending mode of the current brush (as far as I know). This is a technically simple solution to erasing, not a natural or intuitive one.

Please don't make krita follow real world rules ! Physics is limiting !
Moreover, the real world tool simulation analogy is already extremely well served by paintop presets and this is IMO the best way to do it. These are for natural and intuitive and they should be the primary interface for those who seek natural and intuitive. Blending modes are a whole other beast with their own set of rules.

scottpetrovic wrote:I don't know if you do much painting, but this is a very annoying issue when doing any type of line work.

I do a bit of painting, and while I totally agree the eraser mode is absolutely not the way to go on a lineart workflow, it's comes in really handy when actually "painting alpha" with layers. I expect your proposed solution to be a bit unsettling with my painting workflow, where I now expect the eraser mode to follow the change of my brush size.
I think the solution you proposed is aimed at a narrow (even though frequent) use case, whereas preset shortcuts really gives a generic and less quirky solution !

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2 more cents :
Another thing to explore would be to have another default preset for the eraser tip of the stylus if any ?
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EDIT - 2 more cents again :
Another thing to explore would be to ship pre-tagged presets, to better narrow down different sets of tools and have each set displayed on one screen without scrolling.
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From my understanding the eraser tip of the stylus uses a different preset than the pen tip. So the eraser tip can have a different mode (ie. erase), different brush size or even different preset altogether. I use this and feels nice to work with.

So my suggestion is to have a shortcut which does something similar to turning the stylus around and using the eraser end. That is the pen tip would have two presets rather than one, with the alternate preset accessible via shortcut.

Could go even further and make each tip (ie. pen, eraser, mouse, etc) have N different presets accesible via shortcuts, each potentially having different modes/sizes/etc. So with 3 shortcuts combined with pen and eraser tips would give access to 6 different presets.

By default there could be only one alternate tip, which is configured to some default eraser brush (but the user is free to switch it to whatever preset) and with E key as shortcut.
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I probably spoke too much with my original comment. Earlier in the thread, it sounded like the eraser mode was potentially going to get much more complex than it currently is. I like the functionality it has now with the E toggle. The only change that was actually made was while you are in eraser mode, your preset temporarily remembers the difference between your erase brush size and regular brush size.

If there are other ideas, it might be better to start them in a different post. Also, I think having more visual examples would be helpful (like a screencasts). These type of changes are very workflow specific, so it is hard to communicate the ideas in words sometimes.
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We have the / shortcut that switches the two most recently used presets. A shortcut to switch between stylus tips is an interesting idea. The other thing that I would like is to make Krita have an eraser preset by default assigned to the eraser tip, and to make Krita remember the presets for each tablet device and tip across sessions, right now only the pen tip preset is remembered.

The next thing is the shortcuts for some presets. That's a long standing discussion and I don't think we've hit on the right interaction design for that, it needs serious and deep thinking :-) There's the shortcuts that select the next/previous preset in the favourite preset wheel, but that doesn't really work in practice.
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I love this idea - I need it badly. When inking in a small brush size, switching to the eraser and resizing and then resizing again to my exact brush size I had while inking is really bothersome.

Is the patch ready? I see the "diff" page but I don't know what to do with it. :(
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Natsu714 wrote:I love this idea - I need it badly. When inking in a small brush size, switching to the eraser and resizing and then resizing again to my exact brush size I had while inking is really bothersome.

Is the patch ready? I see the "diff" page but I don't know what to do with it. :(


Fully implemented in the 3.1.1 version.

Just open the brush settings and mark the checkbox "Eraser switch size" on the bottom of the brush settings dialog.
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Hopefully this question/suggestion isn't too off topic, but is there any way we can have a lock button next to size that will lock that size for any tools used? My workflow currently has me switching between the basic circle brush and a mixing brush. Now the / toggle key will switch between the two brushes and keep the size which is very handy. But if I have to add a third brush, the / toggle key won't be as effective since it can't toggle between three. I.e. I use basic circle, set size, I use mix brush, set size, I use texture brush, set size, then when I go back to basic circle, the size I set is gone.

If a lock button can't be implemented, can someone suggest a workflow that might help me in this scenario? Thanks folks.


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edgarejm wrote:Hopefully this question/suggestion isn't too off topic, but is there any way we can have a lock button next to size that will lock that size for any tools used? My workflow currently has me switching between the basic circle brush and a mixing brush. Now the / toggle key will switch between the two brushes and keep the size which is very handy. But if I have to add a third brush, the / toggle key won't be as effective since it can't toggle between three. I.e. I use basic circle, set size, I use mix brush, set size, I use texture brush, set size, then when I go back to basic circle, the size I set is gone.

If a lock button can't be implemented, can someone suggest a workflow that might help me in this scenario? Thanks folks.


Press F5 to open the brush editor and mark the checkbox "Temporarily Save Tweaks To Presets"

This way the size you set on any brush will persist until you restart Krita.
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Thanks Artur... I felt kind of dumb for not trying that option after hearing it a few times. I guess I didn't really understood what that function does until I saw a similar question like mine on stackexchange and someone mentioned using that feature. Thanks ;D Krita is so awesome!


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Why not have a separate eraser tool. Users can choose if the 'E' shortcut uses the separate eraser tool or switches to eraser mode. I would make 'E' the separate eraser tool and make something like "Shift+E" change to eraser mode from brush mode.

This way if I'm not using the brush, but I want to erase, I won't have to switch to the brush first.


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