Hi,

I do a lot of work for kde in the last 6 month and I love linux since 9 years but I understand that software need some full time developers as well. volontairs are nice and a MUST, but it sould be also ok to guaranty the development.

What I like at software from microsoft, adobe, ... is that I have to pay. When I use Linux, KDE, LibreOffice, it is for free BUT I always feel that I have to give something. In my company it isn't a big deal to pay licence cost. We also have one adobe licence and use it only for or webpage and for the christmas card.

There was a study that shows that when you see the donate at the download users would be more willing to make an donate (http://donate.libreoffice.org/).

- I would pay for an krita DVD / USB Stick with windows and OS-X bin.
- I would pay for an individual Krita (the user can individualize there krita for example company label at an splash screen)
- support (need also a lot of time!)
- donate at the download page with the information that you will listed on the krita homepage as supporter
- offer an krita version where the user have to pay (5 - 10 euro) with the same functionality but with an "supporter splash screen" listen in the about menue (should be individualizable at the download) and some included tutorials
- payed user have an I would like to have button (direct link to bugzilla or whatever will be used)
- commercial users want an more "stable" version. LTS for users they would like to pay

I will pay for Microsoft because I have to I would pay for open source because it is cool or I get an additional benefit.

Or a send a beer to the developer button

Joke but when you are download the app you will be forwarded to the dev and there you can say 5, 10, .... EUR or great work drink a beer on my bill, ...

But anywhere inside krita would be more usefull. maybe on the start screen. you guys do such a great job so I think you can make an funny help text and layout what the user don't disturb.

or maybe what was done the last time with the donated money on the donate page.

I think people should definitely pay to download Krita, a bit like http://www.pureref.com

That'll block everyone who hasn't got access to whatever payment system we chose from ever using krita though.

the license of the software isn't being changed though so they can always share amongst themselves but they only pay if they wish to get the direct link from Krita website

That's a bad idea as it would lead people to get Krita from some shady sites that bundle malware etc. At least we are able to control quality this way. If you want to buy Krita, you can do that from Steam.

yeah, forgot about malware. I just meant that non-donators can go through extra steps to download a copy of Krita e.g. requesting via e-mail, and getting the download link could take a while (perhaps few months - when you have lots of people waiting, someone e-mails them the link)

Or maybe just that non-donators can ONLY download the previous version of Krita

Hi everyone,

bmarple wrote:
> Or maybe just that non-donators can ONLY download the previous version of Krita.

As far as I can gather, basically, you somewhat suggest to follow the "Ardour system"

Here is a short extract from their FAQ:
"Ardour is free in the sense that you are free to do anything with it that you want (including use it on as many machines as you wish, make copies of it for friends and so forth). Some people like to explain this with the phrase "free as in free speech, not free as in free beer".
It is also free in the sense that you can get the source code at any time and build it yourself. This can be a complicated and difficult task, especially on OS X.
This is a big, complex software project, and without revenue to support its development, it will almost certainly grind to a halt. Our download system is one way that we try to raise revenue. Please consider being a part of the wonderful group of people who help to make this continued development of Ardour possible".
.
See here for more details about Ardour:
http://ardour.org/download.html

In addition, AFAIK, allowing to download only the "previous version" of Krita looks a bit like the "QCAD way".
In short, on Linux, in the long past there was an open source version of QCAD free for everyone, which was usually extremely outdated...
To get the newest updated version of QCAD you were supposed to pay [1] .
This system worked "fine" for QCAD until some developers decided to fork the project to create a new open source software [2] which is free and updated for everyone, that is: LibreCAD
Currently, as regards QCAD, you can download either the free version which misses some important feature, especially the DWG support, or pay to downlaod the "commercial" version which is much more feature-complete" [3].

[1] http://www.qcad.org/en/qcad-downloads-trial
[2] http://librecad.org/cms/home.html
[3] http://www.qcad.org/en/qcad-documentation/qcad-features

@Silvio Grosso, that's pretty much it, thanks. I haven't really looked into any other FOSS except blender (and I don't think Krita could replicate Blender Cloud).

Both examples in Silvio Grossos' post have merit I think.

Why not a pay what you want system, with a text box with a suggested amount that you can set to 0 if you wish?

bmarple wrote:@Silvio Grosso, that's pretty much it, thanks. I haven't really looked into any other FOSS except blender (and I don't think Krita could replicate Blender Cloud).

Both examples in Silvio Grossos' post have merit I think.

I think the Ardour method of donation for download should be a strong consideration. If it'll keep this great software afloat with updates I'd be willing to subscribe to a Patreon type donation system.

Hello everyone,

ramskulls wrote:
> Why not a pay what you want system, with a text box with a suggested amount that you can set to 0 if you wish?

In almost the same way, with LibreOffice you are not forced to pay any amount when you download this open source software [1].
As regards LibreOffice there are plenty of full-time developers paid thanks to many big software house that sponsor this project (RedHat, Collabora, Canonical, Google etc). Therefore, I suppose they can "risk" to not get any donation by their private users.
In short, even if every user decides not to donate anything while downloading LibreOffice the developers are paid by their software house though...

I know pretty well RawTherapee [2], which is an open source RAW professional photo editor.
This software was developed pretty much full-time by a single developer, in the very long past.
Most of all, it was free for everyone even though you were stongly invited (*not* forced) to donate "something" when you downloaded it in order to support its development.
In the end its developer decided to stop working on it because the vast *majority* [3] of download did not correspond to any donation at all
This is somewhat surprising to me because, in my view, when you consider editing your raw pictures usually you are some kind of "pro" which generally owns a Reflex camera. In essence, you are supposed to be not completely broke as regards money
To make it short, this same developer decided to release all his software code as open source.
At present, RawTherapee is developed by a new bunch of developers. They even ported RawTherapee on Linux (previously it worked on Windows) and now they are finishing porting it to GTK 3.
IMHO, RawTherapee is not on par with Capture One Pro 8.3, for instance, but it *really* deserves to give it a try

[1] http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/w ... in_x86.msi
[2] http://rawtherapee.com/
[3] http://rawtherapee.com/blog/50

I just want to add , there is a monthly subscription method (like patreon) through paypal to donate Krita's development. we just need to advertise the donate options.

kamathraghavendra wrote:I just want to add , there is a monthly subscription method (like patreon) through paypal to donate Krita's development. we just need to advertise the donate options.

Yes, i really think that's the way to go.
A Krita funding status Progress-bar at the top of the page would help with that for example.

Why not Steam. Lots of payment methods around the world plus its a solid and easy to use platform. Millions of people buying software.

Put Krita there for free.

Sell things made by the community and professionals

- Brushes packets
- Hi res textures pack
- Wallpaper
- Desktop calendars

  And most important "videos", because steam is now starting to selling video streams.
put tutorials, interviews, speedpantings with comments or not.

distribute those cards for people to collect, trade and sell.

There the tools to record window activity, user groups, hardware and use data collection for developers.

But the biggest advantage of steam is the huge amount of regional payment forms, which does not allow anyone the opportunity to say that do not have to pay. Unlike the paypal that in order to have access in some countries mine included an international credit card is needed (bureaucracy)