I remember installing krita 3.0 via a ppa in terminal , now i check back several months later only to find the ppa is gone on krita installation documents, and i see that the krita appimage thing is still absolute trash even with the latest beta, and not even reliable/usable , crashes right after you crop/transform anything. But the one that you install via ppa is very stable, and only crashes after you save and close a document which i can tolerate,so im fortunate to have it installed like a normal program. My questions are Will the krita team or whatever put an end to the **** unstable krita appimages, and bring back normal installation methods via ppa for linux ? or will krita be available only as an appimage from now on? i would like to enjoy newer versions of krita only if i can install it through terminal like a regular program , Not to be burdened with unstable appimages to enjoy new krita features come krita 3.02, I despise the appimage so much, omfg it makes me so angry ,and would/will do anything to avoid using them at all costs.

Considering you are on Ubuntu, you can also use the Snap. The problem with the PPA was that it took us waaay too much time and effort to maintain, and we're already shorthanded.

The appimages are perfectly stable on the vast majority of systems, so I am wondering why it isn't on yours, and I am also wondering why you didn't report a bug if you were suffering that much. We cannot fix bugs we do not know about, so you should be reporting them to bugs.kde.org.

The Krita team will not put an end to using appimages as main distribution form, because ubuntu based distros aren't the only Linux distros, and appimage is the easiest way for anyone to get new versions of Krita running on any recent Linux system, saving us from having to deal with a constant deluge of Krita 2.8 bug reports.

I used to use opensuse kde leap, it was beautiful, but i had too many problems with it ,and it was very complicated. As of now Ive been using Kubuntu 16.04 with backports, its alot more stable and works very well, best linux ive ever used to date , havnt looked back since then, even though opensuse has the best kde experience of any linux distro, i do miss it ,but its not a good distro for drawing, but good for everything else.

Ive already spoke on how appimage was highly unstable here some months ago. and how it frequently crashed like mad while doing things like rotating/transforming/cropping/zooming,i tried everything i could think of in settings, and tried different graphic settings, ive tried other betas , but none of them were any better, ive already spoke of all these problems already in the past, krita has only been stable when its installed like a regular program. only just now i stop by to see if krita has gotten any new updates because i noticed my krita never gets any regular updates like the rest of my software, its still at krita3.0.
But i come back today and try newer appimages, and still see that the krita appimages are still garbage, unusable for practical use , and on top of that, learn that ppa is no longer offered, so im really upset of where krita is headed.and its a shame because i really liked krita, if this is how its gonna be from now on, ill go back to FireAlpaca and SAI, I dont know what it is about krita appimage but it just doesnt work for me good on any of my 5 laptops , of which range from various cpus and graphics all the way from intel to amd. Everything else i run works perfect , all my emulators,wine games, browsers, all else i use all work normally without problems.
i am very fortunate to have a system with krita3.0 installed, and have something very rare that you cant do anymore. i dont think i get snap in kubuntu,never heard of that , and im not willing to install ubuntu because ive made too many customizations to my native install of krita3.0 in kubuntu.

a) of course you can get snap in Kubuntu, about 8000 people went before you. It's one of the most popular applications in the Ubuntu app store.

b) It's doubtful that a version provided through a ppa would be more stable for you than the appimage. It's the same code after all. Besides, tens of thousands of people are using the appimages and are very happy with them.

c) if you feel this strongly about it, DO something about it. Learn how to maintain a ppa, and maintain a ppa for Krita. We'll gladly give you pointers and help, but sometimes you have to realize that if you want to have something, you have to do something.

d) and if you feel that that's too hard, well, building Krita on Kubuntu is easy as well. I'm sure you could manage, and if you do, you can actually be helpful by reporting bugs.

boudewijn wrote:a) of course you can get snap in Kubuntu, about 8000 people went before you. It's one of the most popular applications in the Ubuntu app store.

b) It's doubtful that a version provided through a ppa would be more stable for you than the appimage. It's the same code after all. Besides, tens of thousands of people are using the appimages and are very happy with them.

c) if you feel this strongly about it, DO something about it. Learn how to maintain a ppa, and maintain a ppa for Krita. We'll gladly give you pointers and help, but sometimes you have to realize that if you want to have something, you have to do something.

d) and if you feel that that's too hard, well, building Krita on Kubuntu is easy as well. I'm sure you could manage, and if you do, you can actually be helpful by reporting bugs.

Oh the krita appimage just closes right after applying a crop transformation , or if i zoom in/out rotate 80% of the time, if it doesnt happen the first time, itll surley happen the 2nd or 3rd time, no warnings no bug report no nothing after it closes, so i can never see whats causing it to close in the first place,very annoying, the appimage of krita is practically unusable for me. gee i wonder what pcs the other 10's of thousands use with no problems.
but i do not have problems with my regular traditional install of krita. but i doubt theres not much more good features coming to krita beyond whats already available in krita3.0 , so i wouldn't be missing out on much anyway right ?

is it really that hard to maintain a few ppa's of the latest stable krita version for the most popular distros , redhat ,ubuntu ,opensuse,arch ,including their branches/derivatives?
i dont know anything about how ppa's were maintained for such a long time, and now suddenly aren't available anymore . i dont know much about that stuff ,or how it even works, i just want a traditional way of installing the newest krita by terminal. not having it in a sandboxed unstable program.

Are there complete instructions on how to make a krita 3.02 ppa ? if so ,are the instructions straight-forward, and easy to follow so i could have it up and running this evening ? maybe ill try it out ,and if its too technical for me ill just stick with my install of krita 3.0.
and i dont see snap krita anywhere on the web, where do you download it at ?

https://uappexplorer.com/app/krita.krita and http://www.howtogeek.com/252047/how-to- ... 16.04-lts/

So basically, install snap(this should be trivial on Ubuntu 16.04+) then sudo snap install krita. If the snap also doesn't work, try untoggling opengl, if that works then your graphics drivers are broken.

For the ppa stuf, check out the launchpad website? The reason we don't support it anymore is because it's a really fiddly system though. It broke constantly, and we couldn't be certain that the dependencies we needed would be available. Similarly, Krita 3.0+ has new features, as we constantly improve Krita. New dockers, new filters, softproofing, stabler animation, new brush engines, better ui, etc.

I don't have any problems at all with my graphic drivers, as i said everything else runs perfectly , all my 3d wine games, Gimp,,emulators Mypaint , Blender, everything running great ,And im using opensource ati graphics ,which to my surprise are ironically a whole lot better than the proprietary ones . So very good job opensource world kudos.

ok so i installed snap krita , but i dont know how to start it.How do you start snap krita? Typing krita in terminal brings up my old krita and not the snap one , so i actually have no way of testing to see if its more stabler than the appimage monstrosity or not, but i doubt it, since krita has actually always been a highly unstable and buggy art program no matter how its installed or which OS it runs in, But its a good program, its like SAI on steroids ,albeit a veryy buggy one.

Please stay civil: terms like "monstrosity" are not welcome and make me unwilling to spend any time helping you.

Firstly, I did't realize that the forums here are a controlled state in which free speech to express myself is limited , and that the term "monstrosity" hurts your feelings, and/or makes you unwilling to cooperate, or makes you feel bad in some kind of way or another, so im very sorry. You gonna forgive me now and accept my sincere apology ,and answer my one question of how to start snap krita now ?

All i asked was one simple question and i shall bid you adieu , after taking a quick look throughout the kirta forums , its clear to me that i am not the only one experiencing multiple issues with krita , and that it is indeed full of quirks and riddled with bugs, so this makes me feel a tad better and reassures me that im not the only one here singled out with problems. Therefore i have no further questions beyond the one that i just asked, Nor do i have anymore complaints because the forums and krita speaks for itself.

Hey gingle, I see you having trouble running the latest Krita, well, many things around yours system influence the behavior of the programs, lets see,

Gingle wrote:... the appimage of krita is practically unusable for me. gee i wonder what pcs the other 10's of thousands use with no problems.

Other than the known bugs appimages work flawlessly for me.

Gingle wrote: but i do not have problems with my regular traditional install of krita. but i doubt theres not much more good features coming to krita beyond whats already available in krita3.0 , so i wouldn't be missing out on much anyway right ?

The list of fixed bugs and new features are on the website, if you don't see anything you may want/use, there is no need to be on the "bleeding edge" (and I will tell you why below)

Gingle wrote:is it really that hard to maintain a few ppa's of the latest stable krita version for the most popular distros , redhat ,ubuntu ,opensuse,arch ,including their branches/derivatives?
i dont know anything about how ppa's were maintained for such a long time, and now suddenly aren't available anymore . i dont know much about that stuff ,or how it even works, i just want a traditional way of installing the newest krita by terminal. not having it in a sandboxed unstable program.

It is time consuming to create a repository, maintain it, and keep with the whole changes of the system is intended for, a few points to consider are: Krita mainteners are not *buntu mainteners, this is, they don't work for ubunut/debian or the like. they offer Krita and is up to the distro creators/mainteners to add it and do it correctly. ppa's on *bunut where always hacky thus the whole system is trying to move away from it. The one ppa that the Krita devs offered was an extra token, not a priority since they are not part of Ubuntu.

Other Linux don't use ppa's, that's a *buntu/debian system. On Arch we only use the main repo/users repos/aur which is way more simple and practical on the long run.

Gingle wrote:Are there complete instructions on how to make a krita 3.02 ppa ? if so ,are the instructions straight-forward, and easy to follow so i could have it up and running this evening ? maybe ill try it out ,and if its too technical for me ill just stick with my install of krita 3.0.
and i dont see snap krita anywhere on the web, where do you download it at ?

That would give you more headaches than its worth it. Now let me tell you about using the latest builds. they will require also newer software from all over your system, even if your distro is up to date in its own standard, it doesn't mean it has the latest available software out there; linux kernel, graphic drivers, DE, etc. thus trying to use one or two bleeding edge apps while the rest of your system is not up to the game is not a good combination (I telling you this by experience )
On systems like *buntus the better bet is to use their main repos versions of the apps.

If snaps and appimages give you trouble but you want the newer version, building krita is likely a better choice than trying to figure why others don't work. Revoy's tutorial is the easiest way to find out how to do it. Also if you rather have newer systems/apps you may consider a different distro, I heard good things about Neon, I myself use Arch, and have played with KaOs for a while, there you don't need ppa's, just install krita from the repos and you will get the newest stable available.

If you really want a snap to work, I thing the guys at Kubuntu or Snappy can offer much better advice than this section of the forums, good luck.

Stability is key for me,because i draw a lot , and i cant afford to be dealing with an appimage that seems to close randomly every time i zoom/pan/rotate/transform canvas, that slows down my productivity too much. But the ppa install from http://ppa.launchpad.net/dimula73/krita/ubuntu works perfectly for me , and it integrates with the rest of my OS, and i get font settings and theme settings, something in which the appimage version does not do as far as i know, instead the appimage comes with a predifined font that is very big, and unchangeable , and the new krita looks ugly like a win95 program, and doesn't fit in with the way the rest of my programs and OS looks, even gimp looks much better, it really sticks out ,but my install of krita looks a lot smoother as it takes on the themeing of my kde5 desktop). Somehow newer versions of krita have really took a steep step downwards when it comes to aesthetics of the program, from what ive heard , it was hard-coded to look like that due to problems.

I havnt had any unstable issues concerning crashes with my ppa krita and i use the higest graphic settings and opensource graphics,the only problem i have with it is after i save a document and try to close the program, it just freezes , and i have to forcibly quit it through system monitor, though this seems too only happen when i leave it open for days at a time , but i can deal with that.

And i went over and checked out the newest updates for krita 3.01 or 3.1 or whatever , and found out that there isn't very much for me to be really excited about that would further enhance my experience using krita. Maybe when a Major update to the Reference image Docker happens ill maybe consider trying to build install a tarball version, but until then , there are simply not good enough reasons for me to use new krita versions