Hi, reading various Linux news, I seem to have stumbled on this ... https://akapust1n.wordpress.com. I just need to ask which, if any, Linux app image this is expected to be integrated into. I can stay with the present 3.2.1 anyway, but thank you in advance for any positive response.

We have no idea yet when it will be ready to go into production. Since you sound worried about it ("I can stay with 3.2.1"), please check the KDE telemetry policy: https://community.kde.org/Policies/Telemetry_Policy . To summarize: it will not be enabled by default, and all data will be anonymous.

boudewijn wrote:We have no idea yet when it will be ready to go into production. Since you sound worried about it ("I can stay with 3.2.1"), please check the KDE telemetry policy: https://community.kde.org/Policies/Telemetry_Policy . To summarize: it will not be enabled by default, and all data will be anonymous.

Thanks for your response. Yes, I avoid any software that incorporates metadata collection like this, as I don't feel that aligns with Linux principles, and, for me and probably many others, enjoying and concentrating on painting don't match with every detail being watched and recorded. An 'off' switch means it's still around and possibly still happening, and Canonical had a lot of problems due to the same issue. Metadata is more of a Windows/closed system focus, so I'd update only if certain the metadata collection wasn't included. A regular on-line survey, just collecting the direct data typed in by users, could surely have covered all platforms and must be easier and less time-consuming to interpret, for a good overview on what's going well or not. If the data collection is to decide about removing or adding features/brushes all the time, I just feel that would add instabilities, and Krita is a big program where people most probably put features on a list to work up to learning later, if those features are still there.

as I don't feel that aligns with Linux principles

Uhm, it doesn't clash at all with Linux principles. Or any open source principles.

Open Source principles are "community works together to create a project". We have a problem that we cannot get our community to give good feedback at all on lag and other issues, because we just don't have a technical community who can word themselves. Therefore a system is created that allows people to sent data on their own volition. So, then, the community is contributing to Krita too.

Privacy issues only have something to do with open source when it comes to the agency of the user to choose whether or not telemetry is done. Windows and OS X don't allow telemetry to be turned off easily, and Krita won't even have telemetry on by default.

. A regular on-line survey, just collecting the direct data typed in by users, could surely have covered all platforms and must be easier and less time-consuming to interpret

It isn't. We did a month long survey in February, it then took me another month to crunch the data into a report, and even then we got no real useful information about lag like we wanted to.

Of course, Krita being open source means you can modify the source and remove the telemetry all together and build it yourself.

01nanovolt wrote: An 'off' switch means it's still around and possibly still happening

Bollocks. Yes, I get that some people are loony on the subject, but since Krita is open source, you can verify that yourself.

You don't know what data krita sends. It's not "linux user who use X functions, have Y programs, and active in Z time". It's "65% of X users use windows, Y tool used 1234 times or 4567 seconds, 48% users work on Z size pictures with C size brushes." I don't think it's a problem. While google\microsoft "spying" to show more relevant ads, krita "spying" to show devs and users what is most used tool\image size\brush size\OS\etc. In other words it's just statistics.

radian wrote:You don't know what data krita sends. It's not "linux user who use X functions, have Y programs, and active in Z time". It's "65% of X users use windows, Y tool used 1234 times or 4567 seconds, 48% users work on Z size pictures with C size brushes." I don't think it's a problem. While google\microsoft "spying" to show more relevant ads, krita "spying" to show devs and users what is most used tool\image size\brush size\OS\etc. In other words it's just statistics.

Right now, Krita doesn't send anything, of course. We'll first have to see whether Alexey's project gets to a state where it can be usefully merged. And then, of course, as is clearly stated in the policy, which I already linked to (https://community.kde.org/Policies/Telemetry_Policy), there will have to be a complete description of everything Krita sends.

TheraHedwig wrote: useful information about lag like we wanted to.

Hm, how about update "show information" (or make python plugin) that will show lag related info? Canvas size, brush size, spacing, instant preview, brush smoothing, etc.

Maybe there isn't enough feedback because eg any reasonable concern I've brought, and really made effort to be polite about, gets this negative response. And it's always the users' fault for not doing enough, isn't it; 'if they did such and such, we wouldn't need to data mine' doesn't wash. Mining data isn't a good direction to begin going in, when there are other options that wouldn't hit an issue that bothers so many people in this day and age.

And, sorry, but, with respect, if 12 years on lag is an issue and used as an excuse for metadata, I can't accept that, and question if adding too many features and platforms has slowed things down. And there's no point telling the countless younger people, or beginners at Linux, of which there are many more now, to 'code it yourself'. Rude, as is implying I'm a 'loony' about metadata. Learn some manners, Boud.

I'm so done with what is always an unpleasant, depressing and disrespectful communication. No more feedback from me, and I'm glad to step away. KDE can't get email notifications right, so thankfully I'll not be checking back.

Ahem, what answer did you expect? "Some guy on forum don't like any kind of metadata, we should cancel it and get rid of the work of student who worked on it all summer"?

They honestly tell about telemetry - fact
Data isn't any personal - fact
It isn't obligatory - fact
It disabled by default - fact
You can check it if you don't believe - fact

Your arguments?