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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:14 pm
I am starting to suspect that resolution on screen size could be causing some of MY problems. I am using 800/600 because I prefer to sit at least 6 feet from my monitor.

I think I am using Kubuntu with KDE 4.1.2.:-D My first go around I lost the panel at the bottom of the page, and to make a long story short, I had to reinstall the whole works.

The next problem I encountered was the Desktop indicator. I had chosen 4 desktops and they appeared in the panel, but finally disappeared for no good reason. I cannot get them back:-@.

I prefer two panels. One at the bottom of the display and one at the top. I find that when I right click on a panel to add widgets, that if they are not on the list, I go to the Kmenu and hunt out the application I am looking for, then drag it to the panel I am using..This works for me.
I do find a problem with the Kmenu. When I select,say an appliction and choose 'internet' the menu properly slides to the application, but after choosing one to drag to my panel, the Kmenu does not slide back to it's proper place, so I must close the Kmenu and call it up again. That's a little annoying.

Peace to all of us trying to work with Kde4.1.2..................ed


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:22 pm
Did you try to add the application from the KMenu with a right click? Then i get the options to add it to the favourites, add to desktop and add to panel. And the menu stays where it is.


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:12 pm
neverendingo wrote:Did you try to add the application from the KMenu with a right click? Then i get the options to add it to the favourites, add to desktop and add to panel. And the menu stays where it is.


No I had not. Been trying it and finding MANY new things to play with.
:-D

My problems have been solved. At least the ones that I have encountered thus far.

I reinstalled Kbuntu using one partition on my 122GB hard drive. After installation, I did an apt-get install kde*. This brought me a bunch of KDE files. Too many to list.

Now when I create another panel at the top of my screen, I can easily add widgets by using the Kmenu, pull up the application I wish to add, left click on the icon and drag it by holding the left clicker down and then releasing it in the panel. This did not work in my many tries to add widgets in the past, but with the updated KDE files, as mention above, all is well.

Peace...................................ed

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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:14 pm
Good to hear. :)


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:05 am
neverendingo wrote:After i saw that maybe some options of the new Panel in KDE 4 are not so obvious to new users i thought i should write a howto. So here it comes.

At first start you are presented with this nice black bar on the bottom of the screen. It fills the entire space and is maybe polluted with some buttons or a clock or whatever your distro chose to put in.

So how can i configure it?

Well, at the right side of the panel you should see something like this:
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Ok, nice, but i don't like my panel on the bottom

Well, no problem. Simply drag the configuration bar above the panel to a position you want, left, right, top or bottom.


I must have a buggy panel because there is no little blue line there to move it around from the top (!!!!!) of all places to the bottom where I want it. Anyway the design isn't intuitive and is too clever by half. Put the options for top, botton, left side, right side in the more settings menu where they belong, please.

Additionally there are no settings in the SUSE inspired KDE control centre for things like that or the obscenely large tool tips that show up when you put the mouse pointer anywhere near the bar for a running application.

I have trouble calling it an icon as there is no option to get rid of the verbage I don't want when all I want is an icon and a small tool tip that doesn't cover 1/4 of my screen when I hover anywhere near it.

The setting for that should be in the Control Centre and not on a right click on the desktop somewhere.

The beauty of the old Control Centre was that everything was in one place.

Everything!

I find myself spending at least double the amount of time I used to spend in the old control centre adjusting and setting things up because of the way it's laid out including the so called "Advanced" tab which really isn't when you find basic things like desktop search/indexing, the wallet and the login manager there. Please, please, please give me the old one back!

How can i add Widgets to my panel?

You maybe know the "Add Widget" dialog from the desktop. From there you can choose a widget and drag it onto a free place on the panel.
But maybe that is hard sometimes, as there aren't many free places at all.
So a better way can be this:
Again go to the configuration bar for the panel, choose "Add Widget".
Now select the widget you want. But don't drag it! Highlight it, and click the "Add Widget" button in the dialog. This way the widget automatically get's added to the panel, not the desktop.

Great, but the position is not what i wanted

No problem, that can be solved. When you are in the configuration modus (you clicked the cashew on he panel), hover over the different areas of the panel, and you will see a crosshair. with this crosshair you can move all currently active widgets on the panel to a position you want. And that was it.

Hope this was useful, if not, feel free to correct me. Any input welcome.


With respect to positioning that works, kinda, but the sizing of the "containers" makes little or no sense when you're starting to build a panel. They're huge! And centred! If there's one icon there I should be able to resize it. And put it where I'll want it without it flying back to the middle as if it's trying to desperately trying to get home.

As I indicated too much is spread around in too many places. And don't get me started on the new Control Centre. I'll just reiterate that I find it awkward and it fixes something that was never broken except in the minds of GNOME centric developers at Novell.

(Disclaimer: Where I say "you" in this post it's the collective "you" as in the KDE development and design team and not an individual you. Please don't go rushing to the defense of any decision unless it's to clarify a reason why something was done the way it was.)

ttfn

John

PS: I do love KDE 4.1 but there are rough edges for me and this post hit on a lot of them.
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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:36 pm
Another thing people often ask for in #kde is "How can a set the taskmanager to only show Windows from current desktop?"

You can find it by right clicking on an empty part of the taskmanger (which is btw not that easy, when it is filled) and select "Task Manager Setttings", there are the settings for "only show windows from current desktop"

I think those are too hard to find and also bad to use when the taskbar is full.

And I also think the default is badly chosen. Most peolpe expect it to only show windows from current desktop. That is one of the reasons people use virtual desktops.


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:09 pm
bcooksley wrote:Since you would probably want it in the menu anyway, use the menu editor to add it to the menu, then drag it to the panel from there. If you do not want it in the menu you could probably then delete it from the menu, but I do not know if the Plasma shortcut would still work.

Doesn't work. Dragging stuff from the menu to the panel gives me the slash-in-circle symbol. I can drag stuff to the Desktop. But not to any panel.
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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:12 pm
Did you try the right-click method and "add to panel"?


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:16 am
@rwfranz: The reason why you probably couldn't drag it to the panel is that another applet is filling that spot, you will have to find the 2 pixel or so gap between applets in order to drop them in. In KDE 4.2, this is made easier, as the edges of the applets part to allow a new applet to be easily inserted into the panel.


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:59 pm
I tried all available desktop themes and all of them contain panels of ugly black or gray color. It is very interesting who is so smart designer that proposed "funeral" style for kde4?

Well, question is: how I can change panel color without changing entire theme? I guess it is not possible, so please point me to theme creation how-to.

I can not feel myself attending graveyard every time I open KDE4.


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:53 am
@alukin: Which version of KDE 4 are you using? I am running a slightly outdated ( 1 week old ) trunk install, and it has a blue panel ( definitely not funeral ). KDE 4.1 did have a black panel however.

In KDE 4.2, a KControl Module was added that allows Plasma themes to be customised ( pick and mix from all installed themes )


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:00 pm
bcooksley wrote:In KDE 4.2, a KControl Module was added that allows Plasma themes to be customised ( pick and mix from all installed themes )

I use 4.2RC from kubuntu build. May be there are old configs that messed things up... Could U please tell me where to look for those controls?

PS. Found "Aya" theme with light-gray pannel and now I know why panels are black in default themes. Because panel drawing is buggy! Part with tray icons constantly redrawing itself with black rectangle under application icon. Guys are still hiding plasma bugs under "funeral" design. :)
PS. Found those "theme mixing" controls under System Settings->Advanced

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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:24 pm
The Black Rectangle is intentional, it helps prevent the corruption in virtually all cases. The colour is specified with either your System colour scheme or your Plasma theme, not sure which.

Also they are not trying to hide Plasma bugs at all. They are preventing bugs by having the rectangle area with icons on it, because it is a RGB area, while the rest of Plasma is ARGB. System tray icons are only RGB, thus they need to be placed on a RGB background to avoid corruption.

The plasma configuration files are "plasmarc" and "plasma-appletsrc" located in $KDEHOME/share/config
Make sure to not have Plasma running when you remove these.

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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:47 pm
Great! At least I know now why it does not work and will not wok for a while :)


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RE: HOWTO Panel in KDE 4.1.2

Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:28 am
Hi everyone, great information, can anyone tell me what program to install to monitor cpu,gpu frequecies? My laptop runs hot and I need to watch it. I am running kubuntu
8.10.

neverendingo wrote:After i saw that maybe some options of the new Panel in KDE 4 are not so obvious to new users i thought i should write a howto. So here it comes.

At first start you are presented with this nice black bar on the bottom of the screen. It fills the entire space and is maybe polluted with some buttons or a clock or whatever your distro chose to put in.

So how can i configure it?

Well, at the right side of the panel you should see something like this:
Image

Notice the little cashew right from the clock? It's the plasma logo by the way...
Click on it and you are presented with a new bar on top of the panel.
If you don't the this logo, it is possible that your widgets are locked. Just right-click anywhere on your desktop and choose "Unlock Widgets". Now you should see it.

How can i change the height of the panel?

So let's assume you are not happy with the height of the panel, you want a bigger one. What to do?
On top of this new bar there is a handle.
Drag it to the height of your choice.

And what about the width?

A bit hard to see, so see this screenshot.
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See this litte blue and green triangles on the right? The green one is for the minimum width of the panel, the blue one is for the maximum width.
Don't ask for the difference between them for now, i guess there is work going on.
For now just drag the blue one to make the panel smaller and the green one to make it bigger.
But that's not all. Maybe you are not satisfied with the aligment of the panel.
Then use this:
Image

Here you have the choice to align the panel to the right, the left, or center.
And if you want a bit more finetuning, there is a third triangle in the center, a white one. With that you can put the panel on whatever position you want.

Ok, nice, but i don't like my panel on the bottom

Well, no problem. Simply drag the configuration bar above the panel to a position you want, left, right, top or bottom.

How can i add Widgets to my panel?

You maybe know the "Add Widget" dialog from the desktop. From there you can choose a widget and drag it onto a free place on the panel.
But maybe that is hard sometimes, as there aren't many free places at all.
So a better way can be this:
Again go to the configuration bar for the panel, choose "Add Widget".
Now select the widget you want. But don't drag it! Highlight it, and click the "Add Widget" button in the dialog. This way the widget automatically get's added to the panel, not the desktop.

Great, but the position is not what i wanted

No problem, that can be solved. When you are in the configuration modus (you clicked the cashew on he panel), hover over the different areas of the panel, and you will see a crosshair. with this crosshair you can move all currently active widgets on the panel to a position you want. And that was it.

Hope this was useful, if not, feel free to correct me. Any input welcome.


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