Link: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... ows-7.html

Thoughts? Opinions? Some things seem to be similar to KDE4 (like gadgets on the desktop, instead of sidebar). "Peeking" seems like an interesting idea. The new taskbar seems pretty ho-hum, but it's still an improvement when compred to the old one.

And it seems that Microsoft is also fed up with the systray . The quicker KDE figures out to eliminate that travesty, the happier we will be.

I didn't liked some of the screens, too clutered.
the new Windows Explorer for example, I really got lost.

Tomaz wrote:I didn't liked some of the screens, too clutered.
the new Windows Explorer for example, I really got lost.

Yeah, Explorer still sucks. I have no idea what MS is thinking with that thing....

It seems that KDE just took one giant leap closer to Mac on "M$ stole this idea from us" list.

Is it just me or does that panel look very much the same as kicker used to in kde3 with transparency enabled?

To be honest - it doesn't look too bad what they are showing us.
But I'll stay with Linux and KDE - here I get such improvements not once in five years but twice in one year...

I can't really see anything that's better than in KDE4.1 beside of the fact that KDE still needs the time until 4.2 to become a really stable thing.

Looks like ugly KDE4 ) (the pre 4.0 ones), shiny but unfinished.
Jump List looks nice, but in most cases it would make the right click in taskbar bloated.

http://media.arstechnica.com/images/win ... plorer.png

if it could be a real prewiew genrated by contet i would be kinda of cool.

and another thought i came up with would be to be able to flip the folder open by howering and be able to flip the content like sheats paper in book, maby by howering over a flip icon like the select button in single klick mode of konq.

and likewise in the ime stack http://media.arstechnica.com/images/win ... raries.png.

but the menubars are not loking realy usable,to mouch space wasted.

and only icons in the taskbar is in my mind a bad idea:/
having a big icon mode would be good as an option for those who like it.

maybe the defult choise could be chosen by chosing super easy ->to super adwanced mode on install..

Janne wrote:
Yeah, Explorer still sucks. I have no idea what MS is thinking with that thing....

A sort-of unofficial paraphrase (from when Vista had just been launched). Unofficial since I can't verify that the poster is/was a MS employee or remember the forum in which it was posted.

Anyway, at the time I had just received a new laptop with Vista pre-installed and I had quite a few issues with it that I wanted to try to resolve/work around if possible. One was that when Aero was turned on, it was impossible to tell one explorer window from the other by just the text in the window bar since there was no text there by default, and not possible to turn on either (and by the looks of it, that's still the same in Windows 7). The alleged MS-developer said that was on purpose since it would break the look of Vista and the "work-around" (if you can call it that) was to turn Aero off. Kinda off-putting to hear that to get a IMO essential feature is to turn off one of, in the eyes of many anyway, Vista's selling-points - the improved look. Not that I think Aero is anything to write home about but the very idea to suggest such a method tells me that Microsoft is mostly interested in looks and not functionality.

Oh, and he also suggested that none would use more than one explorer window since the enhanced search functionality in Vista would make that a moot point. He can't have used that sorry excuse for search all that much to suggest that...honestly, the Linux console-command find is more user-friendly.

What I am trying to say is that I think the Microsoft devs are too much in love with their own software to listen to their users. Although I like one thing about explorer: I would love dolphin to have the ability to have the information panel at the bottom.

Janne wrote:Link: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... ows-7.html

Thoughts? Opinions? Some things seem to be similar to KDE4 (like gadgets on the desktop, instead of sidebar). "Peeking" seems like an interesting idea. The new taskbar seems pretty ho-hum, but it's still an improvement when compred to the old one.

And it seems that Microsoft is also fed up with the systray . The quicker KDE figures out to eliminate that travesty, the happier we will be.

Who bought Trolltech? Now is QT Software. It is a little scary for future of KDE and Unix world.
BTW I didn't saw new windows and I never had and I don't have Windows or any M$ product on my computer.

RobinHood wrote:Who bought Trolltech? Now is QT Software. It is a little scary for future of KDE and Unix world.

Where's the problem with Nokia owning Trolltech? And what does it have to do with Windows 7?

Janne wrote:Link: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... ows-7.html

And it seems that Microsoft is also fed up with the systray . The quicker KDE figures out to eliminate that travesty, the happier we will be.

in kde4.2 trunk, we can hide icon in the systray

RobinHood wrote:Who bought Trolltech? Now is QT Software. It is a little scary for future of KDE and Unix world.

If a company ever makes Qt closed source, it will automatically fall back to a BSD-like license (yay!), so there's really nothing to worry about with Qt being owned by Nokia.

If you don't like the idea of a company owning the toolkit made to use KDE, go switch to GTK. Personally, I still can't realize why people would want to use GTK solely based on this whole company thing; Qt is so much nicer to code with (based on what I hear... I don't program with either).

djouallah wrote:

Janne wrote:Link: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... ows-7.html

And it seems that Microsoft is also fed up with the systray . The quicker KDE figures out to eliminate that travesty, the happier we will be.

in kde4.2 trunk, we can hide icon in the systray

We should think of a way to totally eliminate the systray. Although hiding icons is a satisfactory workaround. I really don't understand why I would have to constantly see the Kwallet-icon for example. I think that Kwallet should be empty by default. It should only contain icons that actually try to tell me something at that very moment. But then again, we have notifications for that....[hr]
Another article:

http://neowin.net/news/live/08/10/28/in ... ndows-7-ui

Janne wrote:We should think of a way to totally eliminate the systray. [...] It should only contain icons that actually try to tell me something at that very moment. But then again, we have notifications for that....

That doesn't work in all cases: I would want to keep icons for Amarok, Klipper, KMix in my panel. If I had a notebook, it would further be the battery status... So just spontaneously four icons would come to my mind that I need as a systray like plasmoid. Others surely need different ones... ,-)
But for example that HP icon that came to my systray with the update to Ubuntu8.10 definitely has nothing to do there..... ...and there are pre installed windows systems where the systray takes more than half of the panel - a horror...

So, please don't take the systray away from us!

michael4910 wrote:That doesn't work in all cases: I would want to keep icons for Amarok

Couldn't that be handled by a plasmoid?

Klipper

That might be useful. But does it have to be visible all the time? Also, how about klipper-plasmoid ? It could display C+P's in a tidy list. It would transform copy/paste from.... well, copy/paste, in to information-gathering service.

EDIT: related bug-report:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171288

KMix in my panel.

Kmix is used to adjust volume. I don't think there's a need to constantly adjust the volume.

If I had a notebook, it would further be the battery status.

An icon in the systray doesn't really give you any information about the battery. Well, maybe if it's charging or not. What I would like to see is an automated plasmoid that appears on the desktop automatically when you unplug the power-cable. When you need to know the amount of charge in the battery, is when you are actually using the battery.

So, please don't take the systray away from us!

What we need to make clear here is that even though I wish for sudden death of the systray, I have no desire to remove the functionality it provides.