It's all about configuration, and we're not discussing the future of KDE here (even if many people here act as if we would do that).

Can we agree (regardless of what you think about macs, which is quite unimportant and pretty much off-topic here imho) that a Mac-like Menubar would be nice to have as an option, just like in KDE 3?

Dryfit wrote:

Think a menubar is also taking to much space[/quote]

It takes about as much vertical space as normal menubar does. And since you always have just one menubar, as opposed to having several (if you have several apps running), you actually save space.[hr]

Brandybuck wrote:

Janne wrote:Is that good enough reason for rudeness and hostility?

I did not mean to be rude. But over the internet everyone assumes the worst in others. Don't read more into my posts than there is.

This was there:

"I won't argue with Mac OSX True Believers. My point is not to dispute with His Holyness Saint Steve"

and

"Let me repeat for the third time: do whatever the frak you want on your own desktop, just leave mine alone. "

That's pretty rude and uncalled for.

@Janne and all the others who are constantly posting why the Menubar is bad or good: That's not the matter for KDE. Since it will only be an option if implemented, there's no reason to make that much fuss about it in this thread.

Maybe you could just open a Mac/Apple/Menubar Discussion Thread?

blueget wrote:Maybe you could just open a Mac/Apple/Menubar Discussion Thread?

Um, this thread is it.

I would have thought "His Holyness Saint Steve" was an obvious sarcasm.

And sarcasm is rude. Thats the point. :P

I'm iffy on the idea. I like how Chrome does it, since I don't use most of the toolbars anyways. However, for those applications where a toolbar is practically a necessity (word processing, for example) it might give me more window room, which I like. I dislike how, in order to give you features, ui designers have resolved to stick a thick bar at the top of the screen. Usually, a lot of it is redundant. That is handled quite elegantly in google chrome. Again, that approach may not be feasible in all applications, in which case, a universal menubar would be useful.

Another thing is, it would allow me to move my Systray and clock off my bottom panel, reserving it for tasks, and actually have that top bar used. I currently use Gnome, and whenever I try KDE4, I can't believe how much space the clock, trash, desktop switcher, and systray take away from the taskbar, and the taskbar isn't all that efficient either. I don't want to create a top panel, thats one of my major gripes with Gnome. A top menubar would be a great solution.

I'd have to try it though. When I've used OSX, I haven't really noticed the topbar as an impediment, but I haven't used it enough to know for sure. A top panel, however, I have found to be too bold for the top of the screen, and sometimes irks me in Gnome.
(I'm planning on switching to KDE4.2 when it comes out :P)

Steve if you use one bar in gnome you have the same problem as in kde, its a general problem if you want to put everything on one bar it is getting crowded. It is always the first thing i do in ubuntu getting one of the bar off and put it in one bar again. On my work i use a side bar because it gives me a fast way to switch my zillion open applications in xp and i missing my extra desktops i have in linux.

Brandybuck wrote:I would have thought "His Holyness Saint Steve" was an obvious sarcasm.

The way you said it implied that I worship the ground Steve Jobs stand on. I don't.

Calling me "OS X True Believer" just because I happen to use a Mac (I also use Windows. And Linux) and think that some things in it are worth looking at is uncalled for. I'm not a Mac-fanboy. Believe me, I have seen those, and I aint one of them. If I were, I would be here telling everyone how KDE sucks and OS X is the only true way. But no. I'm here thinking of ways to make KDE better. Some of those ideas include ideas borrowed from OS X, and there's nothing wrong with that. We already borrow from Windows.

Besides this OS X-focused thread, I also have a thread that looks at Windows 7 and GNOME 3.0. I have threads that look in to improving the calendar and the address book. I have a thread about an app-idea I had. And all those thread are aimed at making KDE better.

And expletives are really not needed. And no, masquerading them does not change their meaning. There really is no need to get angry about this thing.[hr]

SteveMcQwark wrote:
Another thing is, it would allow me to move my Systray and clock off my bottom panel, reserving it for tasks, and actually have that top bar used. I currently use Gnome, and whenever I try KDE4, I can't believe how much space the clock, trash, desktop switcher, and systray take away from the taskbar, and the taskbar isn't all that efficient either. I don't want to create a top panel, thats one of my major gripes with Gnome. A top menubar would be a great solution.

We seem to be in the same boat . In KDE3, I used the MacOS-menubar, and I moved the systray and all that stuff in to it. that way I could squeeze more space for the taskmanager.

In KDE4 I find the taskmanager to be really squeezed, So I created a panel in the side that has systray, clock and few others things in it, just so I could have more space for taskmanager.

Another vote here for the Mac OS-style menubar.

Coming from the world of the Mac, being able to place KDE 3's menubar at the top of the screen (and toss a clock in there too) made it all the more bearable, even if I still had to work with Windows-inspired windows and application switching. But now after being away from experimentation with free GUIs, I'm giving this shiny new KDE 4 thing a try, and lo and behold… KDE's greatest, most distinguishing feature for us Mac fans is gone. Now I might as well use Gnome, Xfce… even that ugly default window manager thing you get when you install X! What's the difference now?

Okay, I'm being slightly dramatic, but really, it's difficult to overstate how great the universal menubar feature was - to us Mac users, that's just where menubars are supposed to go, period, full stop, end of sentence, end of discussion. Sadly I lack the sk1llz to do it myself, but if someone out there could get this feature working on KDE 4 again, you'd make thousands of Mac fans very happy… or at least the handful that have posted in this thread.

@Albright: I believe someone posted a link to a plasmoid that can do this feature you want. This will allow you to use this feature under KDE 4.

Here is a link with a screenshot:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE+4.1+with+two+panels+%26+MacOSX+menubar?content=81224

seems that it is packed with the Bespin style:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928

msoeken wrote:seems that it is packed with the Bespin style:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928

Has someone actually managed to get that one to work? It compiles for me, and I get it to be present in the "Add widgets" dialogue but as soon as I try to add it to my desktop - nothing whatsoever happens.

You have to use the Bespin style to get it to work.

Hans wrote:You have to use the Bespin style to get it to work.

I did try that even though it sounded far-fetched, but no. That wasn't the problem - at least not for me.

Hans wrote:You have to use the Bespin style to get it to work.

If it works in Bespin, why cdouldn't the relevant code be removed from the theme and reused elsewhere, like in a standalone plasmoid? I don't care for Bespin. I'm not interested in running wannabe-MacOS in Linux, I want something that has it's own style.