No KDE3 for Kubuntu 8.10. I swear to God, I didn't see this coming. I was totally okay with it not being the default, but it's dead, killed, not available with Insipid Ibex, or whatever they're calling it. I was finally placated when I understood that KDE3 would supported as long people chose to use it. I didn't know that we wouldn't get to make the choice.

We're the forkers right? KDE use is supposed to split roughly 50/50, which would put KDE 3 uses at several times that of XFCE. Would Ubuntu be dropping a Desktop environment with that kind of user base if it had another name?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3D ... re=related

No more mister nice guy.

Sorry, but what exactly are you trying to say?

If you want KDE3, can't you just stick with Hardy?

Hans wrote:Sorry, but what exactly are you trying to say?

If you want KDE3, can't you just stick with Hardy?

No, because when that runs out, I'm really and truly ******. If I want KDE3 to survive, I can't take anything for granted, because when I do, this is what happens.

Don't use Kubuntu?

blackbelt_jones wrote:...because when that runs out, I'm really and truly ******.

That's April 2011. Still 2 and a half years in which Hardy (incl. KDE3) is supported. What else to say?

Dude, Hardy will be supported for another year, by which time every distro will have switched to KDE4. (Note that Kubuntu 8.04 isn't LTS, so it won't be until April 2011)

Ok, let me first clear something. Sure, this forum is forum is for opinions. But everybody should have read and behave like described in the Code of Conduct. What is missing here, are arguments.
Maybe you are unhappy with KDE4 at the moment, because it doesn't fit your needs. Okay, KDE3 is still out there. But do you really think KDE4 will now stay like it is? I don't hope so.
Other than that i see you are blaming Kubuntu for their decision. Well, besides Hardy there are many distros out there which ship KDE3. All fully functional.
So, this thread is not helpful nor constructive nor respectful. Many work was (and still is) put into KDE4, so calling it an apokolypse, only because kubuntu dropped KDE3 support, is all, but not respectful.
I hope there will come something better.

jrick wrote:Don't use Kubuntu?

Well, duh.

But I was told that we'd get support for KDE as long as people chose to use it, and that seemed reasonable to me, democratic and all, but whoops, only one lever on that voting machine. This isn't Vector or Slackware, or even Fedora. It's all over. This is like Dell announcing that only Visrta will run on their machines. It's a body blow.[hr]

neverendingo wrote:Ok, let me first clear something. Sure, this forum is forum is for opinions. But everybody should have read and behave like described in the Code of Conduct. What is missing here, are arguments.
Maybe you are unhappy with KDE4 at the moment, because it doesn't fit your needs. Okay, KDE3 is still out there. But do you really think KDE4 will now stay like it is? I don't hope so.
Other than that i see you are blaming Kubuntu for their decision. Well, besides Hardy there are many distros out there which ship KDE3. All fully functional.
So, this thread is not helpful nor constructive nor respectful. Many work was (and still is) put into KDE4, so calling it an apokolypse, only because kubuntu dropped KDE3 support, is all, but not respectful.
I hope there will come something better.

I've not been disrespectful to anyone in here, but I will study the code of conduct before I continue.

I fail to see why this is a problem of either KDE or Ubuntu. Sure you might not like KDE 4 in its current state or not at all, but as others have said you're free to use another distribution.

But in choosing Ubuntu you might have expected this kind of scenario. Ubuntu is one of the distros known to ship recent and sometimes bleeding edge software as opposed to Debian or Slackware which are more conservative regarding software life cycles. I'm afraid its in the nature of Ubuntu, with its six months release cycle, to handle software the way they do. If you don't like their attempts to incorporate (exciting) new features, sometimes at the cost of stability (PulseAudio is a notorious example), I would advise you to consider a different distribution - Debian Lenny is shipping KDE 3 as the default KDE package for example.

I do believe backports (or something similar) will be offered for future Ubuntu releases over time if there is a large enough userbase and enough people willing to package.

P.S. You're assuming that my support of KDE3 implies a criticism of KDE4 and it does not. I like KDE4. I use it sometimes, Nothing is wrong with KDE4 as long as I am not forced to use it all the time. I happen to think that KDE3 is sort of perfect in a limited way, and so it would be dumb for the developers to keep working on that. with QT4 and all, KDFE4 was a perfectly legitimate direction to take development, and a lot of fine work has been done.

This really belongs in the Kubuntu forums 'cause it's *buntu specific

Agreed, and please, with a little bit more discussion points. And it's fruitless to say "apokalypse is coming".

Hey, I had an opinion, and I expressed it. It's kind of weird that defending any version of KDE should be seen as inherently hostile in the KDE forums. No, there's nothing wrong with KDE4. KDE4 cannot be stopped, should not be stopped, and I would be a backward son of a **** indeed if I intended to stop it. If I were to go to the Kubuntu forums, that would imply that there's really a solution, and there isn't. I have to eat this. And I don't like it. That's my opinion.

Ok, then please simply explain, what is wrong with it. But please look into this forum first if there isn't a thread where these things aren't already discussed or solved. Just be aware that many developers are around here, and many points were already cleared or discussed. Input is of course always welcome.

blackbelt_jones wrote:Hey, I had an opinion, and I expressed it. It's kind of weird that defending any version of KDE should be seen as inherently hostile in the KDE forums.

Of course it isn't regarded as hostile, not by me at any rate - though "apokalypse" is a bit provoking. But there are already quite some threads started by disgruntled KDE users which were mostly founded on not having feature X from KDE 3 in KDE 4 - problems which are often quickly addressed by pointing out the relocated feature in KDE 4.

If you're very happy with KDE 3 and hate it being phased out by distributions like Ubuntu or openSUSE you're better of with another distribution, because the Ubuntu team will likely take more of these slightly controversial decisions in the future. But as I've said there might be (planned) KDE 3 backports for Ubuntu, I'm not sure.