needless effects, annoying features - just want to work?
or
advanced, assistant, beautiful

what do you think?

XP was significantly better OS then Vista, it was a mistake from Microsoft. I think that the main goal of Vista was the new desktop environment, the effects and the other eye-candy things, but it was absolutely unusable and unstable.
My opinion is that the goal of KDE4 is a more stable, flexible environment with improved usability, and not the eye-candy things.
Plasma and the other desktop effects aren't owning my memory like Vista. I can switch them of, but the desktop is still beautiful

If you don't like the effects, turn them off.

If you don't think KDE4 is mature, KDE 3.5 will be continued to be maintained for you for years. Many people are still using it. I am.

If you don't like features, then KDE is not for you. I hear there's a nice desktop project that has less and less features each release. You might give that a try.

It's that simple.

Lol. Don't feed the trolls.

YeahReally wrote:Lol. Don't feed the trolls.

I wish these types of threads got either locked or merged into one big "OMG KDE4 SCUKS!" thread. Or maybe we should write up a page (on Userbase maybe?) that we could point them to, that explains all the facts about why KDE4 was made, where it's going, and what to do in the meantime. That could potentially save us some time...

Alec wrote:If you don't think KDE4 is mature, KDE 3.5 will be continued to be maintained for you for years.

Not if the distro pushed on you is Ubuntu.

kolla wrote:

Alec wrote:If you don't think KDE4 is mature, KDE 3.5 will be continued to be maintained for you for years.

Not if the distro pushed on you is Ubuntu.

Hardy is still supported for another year.

kolla wrote:

Alec wrote:If you don't think KDE4 is mature, KDE 3.5 will be continued to be maintained for you for years.

Not if the distro pushed on you is Ubuntu.

Hey I just found KDE3 repositories for Insipid Ibex:

http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/

Downloading KDE 3.5 right now! I'll post if there's a problem.[hr]

Alec wrote:

YeahReally wrote:Lol. Don't feed the trolls.

I wish these types of threads got either locked or merged into one big "OMG KDE4 SCUKS!" thread. Or maybe we should write up a page (on Userbase maybe?) that we could point them to, that explains all the facts about why KDE4 was made, where it's going, and what to do in the meantime. That could potentially save us some time...

What would save us time is a discussion of continuing KDE 3 support. That's where the misunderstanding is. There's nothing wrong with KDE 4. It's not my favorite KDE, but I have an open mind, and I'm more concerned with keeping KDE 3 alive.

Aseigo told me: in free software, use equals maintanaince. If we use it, it'll be maintained. That's how we keep KDE3 alive, by using it.

When Insipid Ibex dropped KDE3, it was a shock, and some people in here can tell you, I was MAD. Well, guess what? Looks the some enterprising community member has filled in the gap. Like I said, I'll know more when I'm finished downloading.[hr]

hosell wrote:needless effects, annoying features - just want to work?
or
advanced, assistant, beautiful

what do you think?

Absolutely not. Neither should KDE 3. That's what I'm about.

JontheEchinda wrote:

kolla wrote:

Alec wrote:If you don't think KDE4 is mature, KDE 3.5 will be continued to be maintained for you for years.

Not if the distro pushed on you is Ubuntu.

Hardy is still supported for another year.

So it's not like KDE 3 is dead, it's alive and well... and living on Death Row.

There's nothing wrong with KDE4. There's something wrong with the headlong rush to throw KDE 3 over, but that's not necessarily coming from KDE itself.[hr]

akoskm wrote:XP was significantly better OS then Vista, it was a mistake from Microsoft. I think that the main goal of Vista was the new desktop environment, the effects and the other eye-candy things, but it was absolutely unusable and unstable.
My opinion is that the goal of KDE4 is a more stable, flexible environment with improved usability, and not the eye-candy things.
Plasma and the other desktop effects aren't owning my memory like Vista. I can switch them of, but the desktop is still beautiful

You can switch off Plasma now?

blackbelt_jones wrote:

JontheEchinda wrote:

kolla wrote:

Alec wrote:If you don't think KDE4 is mature, KDE 3.5 will be continued to be maintained for you for years.

Not if the distro pushed on you is Ubuntu.

Hardy is still supported for another year.

So it's not like KDE 3 is dead, it's alive and well... and living on Death Row.

There's nothing wrong with KDE4. There's something wrong with the headlong rush to throw KDE 3 over, but that's not necessarily coming from KDE itself.[hr]

akoskm wrote:XP was significantly better OS then Vista, it was a mistake from Microsoft. I think that the main goal of Vista was the new desktop environment, the effects and the other eye-candy things, but it was absolutely unusable and unstable.
My opinion is that the goal of KDE4 is a more stable, flexible environment with improved usability, and not the eye-candy things.
Plasma and the other desktop effects aren't owning my memory like Vista. I can switch them of, but the desktop is still beautiful

You can switch off Plasma now?

No, I can't. ...switch them of -> Desktop Effects. :-P

blackbelt_jones wrote:When Insipid Ibex dropped KDE3, it was a shock, and some people in here can tell you, I was MAD. Well, guess what? Looks the some enterprising community member has filled in the gap.

Which is probably exactly what Aaron meant. That is, if an individual/organization/whatever think KDE3.x needs to be maintained on a distro-level they can do so. Not that KDE, Kubuntu, or whatever is under an obligation to do so.

Still, KDE3.x is maintained by KDE. Note the word maintained, which means keeping the infrastructure intact (should one choose to use it) and accepting bugfixes and security fixes when needed. No new features will be introduced. And as far as I've understood it, the reason behind that is because the code has grown so complex over the years that it has become really hard to NOT introduce new bugs whenever someone changes the code ever so slightly.

Kryten2X4B wrote:
Still, KDE3.x is maintained by KDE. Note the word maintained, which means keeping the infrastructure intact (should one choose to use it) and accepting bugfixes and security fixes when needed. No new features will be introduced. And as far as I've understood it, the reason behind that is because the code has grown so complex over the years that it has become really hard to NOT introduce new bugs whenever someone changes the code ever so slightly.

I think that's a good idea. It's not reasonable for KDE3 users to want the same thing, and then want major changes at the same time. If I want new features, I should be willing to use KDE4. One reason why KDE4 exists is because, in a limited, functional way, KDE3 had become pretty close to perfect. Developers need to develop. It's what they do, and it is where progress comes from but if they kept adding new features to KDE 3, they would ruin it.

Kubuntu is under no obligation to add KDE 3 to Insipid Ibex, but now I am searching for a distro that is willing to place itself under such an obligation. KDE 3 users need to press their distros for stated policies regarding use of KDE 3. With dozens of distros out there, one should be willing to support KDE 3 for as long as KDE maintains it, as a matter of policy.

By the way, I need to mention that installing KDE3 from the repositories that I found seems to have completely broken my system. I rebooted, and neither my mouse or my keyboard worked. And I was up late reinstalling. Thank God I had the extra hour! (In the US, daylight savings time ended this morning.)

Simply use Mepis 8.0 beta it will use kde 3.5 and it will be maintained because it uses debian and you want you could also install kde4 http://kde4.debian.net/
And the good thing you still use apt-get and it always had good hardware support even before others had it

http://www.mepis.org/node/14200
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distrib ... s/testing/

I voted no, but I am still waiting for some of the features to start coming back before I completely switch. Maybe 4.2 will be that version. I installed Opensuse 11.1 beta three on a test partition on my desktop, and am pleased with their desktop hack to let the folderview cover the entire desktop so you can actually feel like your getting to use your desktop like in KDE3. That was one of the reasons I couldn't use KDE4 everyday.

67GTA wrote:I voted no, but I am still waiting for some of the features to start coming back before I completely switch. Maybe 4.2 will be that version. I installed Opensuse 11.1 beta three on a test partition on my desktop, and am pleased with their desktop hack to let the folderview cover the entire desktop so you can actually feel like your getting to use your desktop like in KDE3. That was one of the reasons I couldn't use KDE4 everyday.

I didn't even vote because it's such a stupid question. KDE4 is not the issue. The issue is the survival of KDE3.