For the past several months KDE has gotten more and more unstable. This is the opposite of what it's supposed to do.

I usually have 12 to 20 Konqi windows open, with multiple tabs each, and often at times when I'm doing nothing, 10 Konqis will just *POP* disappear and I get the familiar Drkonqi window. Oh. Again. I have piled up 12 Drkonqi windows before. Kontact crashes the same way. And then KDE falls to pieces in a steaming pile of junk.

For the past year, when I shut down the system KDE takes away the panel, window decorations and looks like it's shutting down, but then it stops with all windows still open and just sits there. I can not shut the system down through KDE. Often it leaves me with a Konsole window fortunately, so I can type reboot. But KDE will never, never shut the system down. Used to be able to.

At night I put the system to sleep. About every tenth time when I wake it, it comes up with nothing on the screen. Backlight, but nothing else. Nothing I do can bring it back to consciousness. I have to hard power it off.

If I didn't have so much invested in Konqi and Kontact I would have been out of here a long time ago. Things don't seem to be getting better, only worse, so I may be forced to ditch KDE after 14 years of using it. I'd better quick post this before it spontaneously crashes again.

Update to 4.9? I can't. I am as current as Testing gets.

Debian Testing & KDE 4.8.4

Nothing. So nobody's surprised.

maybe people aren't experiencing what you are because they aren't keeping open 12 to 20 Konqi windows open, seems a bit extreme

not sure the sleep issue is a KDE one, after all the logout/sleep/hibernate buttons just call std Linux commands iirc

running a distro called "Testing" maybe one shouldn't expect stability

if you create and run as a new user does your Konqi issues still occur

I have much work to do. Is 20 windows too much for KDE? That would make sense.

I've completely reinstalled Debian from scratch. Hard to believe that everyone else has no such problems. It is getting so bad I can't function.

Have you tried the forum search to see if someone already posted similar issues?
But from time to time someone indeed hits corner cases. One reason why betas, release candidates and even distros with testing versions do exist. To catch as many of them as possible, gather feedback and make it hopefully work.

you have 2 or 3 different problems and they are best served by posting in the proper forums

have you tried running Konqi in Konsole, making sure to open all added instances are opened from the pulldown, to see if any errors are displayed

also try kdebugdialog -> deselect all -> search -> konq -> select all -> exit, then run all you konqi's and after the crash see what's in ~/.xsession-errors.

I've run KDE for 14 years, and it has never never been this bad.

I've had Kontact and Konqueror drop dead at various times. With Kontact just that window. With Konqueror 10-15 windows at once.

Looks to me like a common library, which I have no hope of troubleshooting. The problems have gotten so pervasive that I can hardly function. It's completely locked up on me three times today and I've had to power down/up. And I just reinstalled Debian from scratch last week!

Here's what happens when I start Konqueror in a konsole and open two tabs, one with AP News and the other with SeattlePI:

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$ konqueror
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (services) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "searchproviders/wikit.desktop" not found
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
QPainter::begin: Widget painting can only begin as a result of a paintEvent
QPainter::translate: Painter not active
QPainter::setClipRect: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libnsplugin.so"
Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
nspluginviewer(4998)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "/home/carl/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so"
konqueror(4960)/kio (KIOJob) KIO::TransferJob::slotData: mimeType() not emitted when sending first data!; job URL = KUrl("http://analytics.newsinc.com/AnalyticsProvider/jsonp/analytics/PageViewJSONP?wid=3989&uut=EE72FBB8-F178-47F5-A050-5619C5AAF31A1346444913564&furl=http://widget.newsinc.com/_fw/ap/hlauncher.html&purl=null&ssid=ap_top&anid=90121") data size = 0                                     
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"                                               
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"                                               
Pattern: ^[^<]*(<(.|\s)+>)[^>]*$|^#([\w-]+)$ was rewritten to: ^[^<]*(<[\w\W]*([\w\W])>)[^>]*$|^#([\w-]+)$                                                     
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"                                               
QPainter::begin: Widget painting can only begin as a result of a paintEvent     
QPainter::translate: Painter not active                                         
QPainter::setClipRect: Painter not active                                       
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::hasClipping: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::setBrush: Painter not active
QPainter::drawRects: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::worldTransform: Painter not active
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "libkhtmlpart.so"
konqueror(4960)/kio (KIOJob) KIO::TransferJob::slotData: mimeType() not emitted when sending first data!; job URL = KUrl("http://p.raasnet.com/partners/universal/in?redirect=1&ndr=&t=f&imps=0&pt=&ndl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seattlepi.com%2F&did=0&pid=80014&et=&cid=1344957153101-5215204847980135&channel=") data size = 0

have you tried this as a different user?

nothing you posted looked like an error, but not being a dev .....................

How long can I function as a different user without my emails, bookmarks, open webpages, contacts, etc? I must be able to get work done.

When I reinstalled Debian I was careful to not transfer over kde config files that may be contributing to the problems.

The suggestion of a new plain user might help with nailing the problem down. Assuming you test your workflow with clean fresh configs and it works like you want it to, there might indeed be a problem with your current configs on your default user.

I just can't do my work without email, contacts, etc. As I say, I was very careful to not transfer over config files, whether in /home/{user}/.kde/share.config or apps.

I guess everyone who uses KDE successfully these days works in a vacuum.

Does Konqueror work in LXDE? Does Kontact?

Well, without any valuable input there is not much we can help with. And i guess the same will happen under LXDE, Gnome or whatever, as these apps will use the same libs, no matter of the desktop.

"without any valuable input ..."

This implies that -everyone- has all the errors starting Konqueror, that I posted above.


No, LXDE does not use the same libs as KDE.

Quantum wrote:No, LXDE does not use the same libs as KDE.

But KDE apps run under LXDE (or anything else, for that matter) do.

You can run Kontact, Konqueror, Okular etc. under LXDE. But it is unlikely it will solve your problems.

Konqueror uses a single process model - hence why all the windows disappear at once. Have you tried generating a backtrace with Dr Konqi?

Further, it seems you get plenty of crashes - so I would double check my packages (making sure not to use too many third party packages which come from kde-look.org - the plugins can make normal KDE applications unstable in some cases) ensuring they are all fully up to date and there are no installation problems.

Finally - run kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental.
Aside from Konqueror and Kontact - what other applications crash regularly?