KDE is the best GUI today; I somewhat like it, but I dislike a majority of common features of GUIs. SimpleKDE and mlvwm are also nice, but it and Apple-like configuration do not work right in KDE. I have never liked GUIs that have complicated features or even any pop-ups (SVGAlib would be nicer: ) good GUI style includes main menus opening any filetype in associated (or optional) programs fullscreen (or defineable size) under them (like Apple, though few X/KDE programs can do that) and optionally in tabs.

Konqueror does such tabs, but 'K menu'/panel should, and konqueror should with programs in sub-windows; it and and konsole could be tabs in each other and panel. Actually I prefer graphical programs directly on consoles: or even should let you switch more than 8 or 12 if necessary.

Some such things are difficult to program: there may be no program to manage pure consoles so, and GUI programs might not define others' window sizes. However, that and tabs should be possible (and OT, but lately kernels manage processes better: little might need be done to make console UI better.)

--David

What you are suggesting requires a completely new window manager. You might be able to emulate it by just running xmonad, Awesome or some other tiling window manager from within a KDE session instead of KWin.

Zarin wrote:What you are suggesting requires a completely new window manager. You might be able to emulate it by just running xmonad, Awesome or some other tiling window manager from within a KDE session instead of KWin.

Xmonad does not exactly do that unless it is more configureable, and Awesome has dependencies maybe only mentioned during compiling, so I have too find those.

I got awesome to compile after some people I talked to made some Slamd64Build scripts. It sounds nice but is not as easy as KDE, and I am unsure it even works with it. If it cannot work with the KDE taskbar and menu then I do not want to use it. Awesome is somewhat good but maybe not good enough--or it is complicated or at least seems to have no automatic setup options.

Awesome does say it can have taskbars at 4 screen edges, but I am unsure that means 4 edges at once. If I had not said that above then this is an idea for a KDE option.

Thanks again for the suggestions. Though Xmonad seems different than what I sought, and awesome wm does somewhat or could use much work, it was fun trying them out. I have moved the 2 main points in this thread into the 'look & feel' forum. It seems there are various places I could post them here, but this thread was not very active, and I think the ideas would be useful to KDE.

If they cannot be integrated outside of awesome wm then there needs to be some work done to make it and KDE function better together. Of course, KDE should try some ideas better than what was just copied of MS off Apple of Xerox off an older inventor of the mouse. Well of course, there was some interaction between KDE, Apple, and MS, but KDE should beat the non-free groups to improving standard GUI. KDE has certainly done it before: it is still the best currently (my current OS has KDE 3.5.10, but I have heard KDE 4.2 improved over 4.0.)