Hi there... I've been a Linux user since '97, and for the most part have been using GNOME since it's inception. I've tried KDE off and on over the years but it never impressed me, it seemed to run a lot slower than GNOME, looked too much like a Microsoft OS, etc, etc. But a few weeks ago I installed a KDE4 based Kubuntu. All I can say is Wow! Although it isn't as stable as GNOME, and some "weird" things have happened while using it, I have faith in KDE4 and am looking forward to further updates and versions...

I am now KDE for life... Excellent work everyone!!!

Oh great, welcome to KDE. After all that KDE 4 "bashing" here and elsewhere it is nice to read the opposite.

It seems to me by the messages on this board and in the comments on the dot, that the Kubuntu version of KDE4 isn't really the most stablest one. If it really bothers you, you might want to try out OpenSUSE or Arch Linux, both are getting praised a lot here for having good KDE4 packages.

By the way, good choice and welcome to the KDE community!

Actually, most of those posts are uninformed, vague Kubuntu bashing sessions. I wouldn't read too much in to them, as Kubuntu has been very stable for me.
If you look further you'll see that Kubuntu has also been getting some praise of its own. I'd assume that the negativity is a vocal minority confusing non-perfect upstream code with Kubuntu sucking.

JontheEchinda wrote:Actually, most of those posts are uninformed, vague Kubuntu bashing sessions. I wouldn't read too much in to them, as Kubuntu has been very stable for me.
If you look further you'll see that Kubuntu has also been getting some praise of its own. I'd assume that the negativity is a vocal minority confusing non-perfect upstream code with Kubuntu sucking.

Or: those saying it is unstable is those that have had bad experiences with it. In my experience, it's more likely those would be vocal about it than those who it just works for.

The problem with Kubuntu (and the *buntu's in general) is that it's very picky about which computers it wants to be stable on. On my laptop, it works great. On my desktop, even apport tends to crash more often than not. And it's not really confidence-building when the crash-handler crashes.

JontheEchinda wrote:Actually, most of those posts are uninformed, vague Kubuntu bashing sessions. I wouldn't read too much in to them, as Kubuntu has been very stable for me.
If you look further you'll see that Kubuntu has also been getting some praise of its own. I'd assume that the negativity is a vocal minority confusing non-perfect upstream code with Kubuntu sucking.

You know, that's a little condescending, and you assume much. What people are uniformed about it that KDE3 remains supported, and will be supported for years. There's a community repository for KDE3 for *buntu 8.10, so if you don't like the KDE4, there's no reason to complain. Use what you like. KDE3 will be maintained as long as there are users, and there are currently millions of them, they may be the majority... so there's nothing to get bent out of shape over. Once I understood that, I was able to stop bashing KDE4.

My reasons for preferring KDE3 have to do with my work methods and preferences, and I assume that if other people prefer KDE4, it's because they have different work methods and preferences, and those ought to be respected. If there are problems with KDE4, they'll probably be fixed eventually, and I see no reason not to have an open mind about the possibility that I will prefer KDE4 one day.

I like what I like and you like what you like, and both are viable options. It's not really something to argue about.

Of course, we can all agree that Gnome really does suck.

Also, I have to add that, for a while, I had a dual boot of Ubuntu 8.10 with KDE 3.5.10 installed from the Pearson repository, and Kubuntu 8.10, and the KDE3 system did seem be considerably more stable. Not of all the problems seemed to directly relate to KDE. For example, problems running flashplayer in Firefox popped up in the Kubuntu system, not in the KDE3 system. I don't know what that could have to do with KDE4 vs. KDE3, but of the two systems, it's the only thing that was different at any level. More directly, on the Kubuntu system, Konqueror would crash whenever I tried to use the application menus that are in Konqueror.

So I have anecdotal evidence that KDE4 may not be as stable as KDE3 on my system, running on identical systems on the same hardware. It's not just something that I made up. But I have the choice to stick with KDE 3 in intrepid, so that's not a problem. KDE 4 is an important project that's generating genuine innovation and making good progress. KDE3 is the clumination of the last such project, the highest expression of the old paradigm. If you don't like KDE4 now, use the Pearson repository for KDE3.5.10., or stick with Hardy. Try it again from time to time, or don't. KDE3 will be around as long as there are users, so if you want KDE3 to stay around, you only have to use it, problem solved. And you don't have to bash KDE4.

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JontheEchinda wrote:Actually, most of those posts are uninformed, vague Kubuntu bashing sessions. I wouldn't read too much in to them, as Kubuntu has been very stable for me.
If you look further you'll see that Kubuntu has also been getting some praise of its own. I'd assume that the negativity is a vocal minority confusing non-perfect upstream code with Kubuntu sucking.

Yeah sure... tell me more about Bluetooth in Kubuntu Ibex...

Are you really blind? Or simply don't you want to hear that there's something wrong with the Ubuntu/Canonical mentality ? There's absolutely no support for KDE. Not your fault as a Kubuntu developer, of course, as it comes from above. I am not going to criticize the Kubuntu team, as they do what they can with what's been given to them. But please, no, Kubuntu is not what I would call a great example of KDE integration.

Sorry for that, but I had to say it. I can't stand that behaviour anymore. Reason why I'm switching tu OpenSUSE, with real KDE-minded support.

I have to agree that when compared to Ubuntu, Kubuntu plays second fiddle at Canonical. And I'm not blaming Kubuntu-team for it, I'm blaming Canonical.

Of course it's great that Canonical supports KDE in the form of Kubuntu. But compared to Ubuntu and GNOME, it seems pretty half-hearted.

Does bluetooth even look like it has a K in it? If you will notice, in the first post I was refuting the "oh ppor Kubuntu has unstable/bad KDE4 packages", which we certainly do not. Unavoidable last minute changes broke bluetooth in KDE, but it was only half-working before for both Gnome and KDE due to the 2.6.27 kernel. I never did say that Intrepid was perfect, but our KDE packages are pretty good. I know everybody in the Kubuntu team would stand behind their work on KDE.

Oh, sorry, didn't notice the "KDE only" aspect. I'm using the Neon repo so I can't judge the package quality as it's always unstable on my machine due to the trunk extracts of the Neon packages.

However, my rant was about the Kubuntu release as a whole. And I'm one of those who think that broken stuff should not be released, even if it delays a well done schedule. And that's my main concern about Ubuntu/Canonical regarding Kubuntu. "Kubuntu is a second class citizen, it's broken, but let's release it anyway..." I'm sorry but no, that not a proper way of treating users, even if they don't pay for the service. So I'm using my freedom of choice to express my negative opinion about this kind of behaviour