Can someone just create a plasmoid and ram a Google Calendar inside of it?

hmmm, it would be cool actually (if possible). Sorry Janne, I take my idea out of your thread.

jrick wrote:

Janne wrote:

Kryten2X4B wrote:
Why not upload it to flickr or photobucket?

Don't you need user-account for those?

You can use imageshack.us without an account.

OK, I'll try that from now on. Thanks for the suggestion .

Here is the next version:



I kept the tabs, and I added the toolbar. Yes, the toolbar would consist of just two buttons. TImeline and TIme Spent would be accessible through the menu or keyboard-shortcut. I also added a search-field.

What's still missing is the UI for adding to-do's, but that's due to the fact that I have no idea how to di it in designer. Of course, the vertical Kontact-sidebar is also missing.

Janne wrote:

Kryten2X4B wrote:
Why not upload it to flickr or photobucket?

Don't you need user-account for those?

I'm not sure, but I would guess "yes". Still, since you started to use another provider I'd that's pretty much a non-issue.

Janne wrote:Why is there a separate to-do app in Kontact?

I'm not sure, since I'm merely a user of it I can guess though...as far as my friends, relatives, and business contacts go they tend to separate to-do lists from a calendar. A calendar is more long-term and a to-do list is more immediate. I'm sure that is not a valid "division of tasks" for all users but it seems in my admittedly limited experience to be a reasonable "first glance" reson for it.

Another problem with the to-do list though...but not exclusively the problem of Kontact. Well, sort of.

Since Kontact is a "part" of KDE, wouldn't it be a good idea if the plasmoids shipped with KDE would be able to use the data entered in Kontact? Okay, so the default-plasmoids doesn't include a to-do-list but it does include a sticky-note plasmoid. Kontact also has a sticky-notes component but they don't collaborate which, IMO, they should.

Janne wrote:Well, tabs are (IMO) a more "Integrated" part of an UI than buttons are. So they are not as quite "in your face". They seem to be part of the window, rather than a separate ui-element.

Doesn't that depend, at least partially, on the theme used? Still, even without that I'm afraid I don't agree that tabs are more integrated in UI than the toolbar.

Janne wrote:The toolbar would still be there. But less stuff we have in the toolbar, the more accessible the things in it are. If we have lots of stuff in the toolbar, less visible each individual thing in it is.

Maybe, but then again: if we have both a toolbar and a tab-bar people's eyes would become tired. And even more so the further apart the two are.

Janne wrote:And people are also familiar with tabs, in browsers, Dolphin and now, even in Kmail (so we would have commonality between Kmail and Korganizer). And if we want to look for calendars with similar tab-system than in my mockup, Lotus Notes has them. Yes, a lot has been said about UI in Notes, but it's not really that bad. The calendar works well.

Sure, but the UI needs to be consistent. I haven't yet seen how the tabs will work in Kmail so I'll reserve my judgement on that one. But in Konqueror the tab-bar is hidden by default, and in Dolphin it is kinda hidden away in the menus. In your mock-up the tabs are essentially the center piece of how people are supposed to interact with the application - which is the opposite of how other KDE4 apps work, where they are not essential but can be useful depending on how you work.

Besides, in Konqueror and Dolphin tabs are not used to provide different "views" on the same data which your idea does.

All in all: even though your mockup has merit to me it feels that the "tab-centered" approach is not Calendar or even Kontact specific but something that has to be handled on a more generic level. That is, if the Calendar should be more tab-tailored instead of toolbar-tailored, so should the rest of KDE4.x.

Janne wrote:While it would be nice to be able to show a list of other calendars in the main UI, I think we need to figure out what things are REALLY needed for everyday-calendaring, and focus on those.

Certainly!

Kryten2X4B wrote:
Since Kontact is a "part" of KDE, wouldn't it be a good idea if the plasmoids shipped with KDE would be able to use the data entered in Kontact?

Absolutely . And I think that is planned.

And not just plasmoids, but Krunner as well. I'm seeing a scheme where you could launch Krunner and type "mail mockup.png to Steve Smith", and it would then mail mockup.png to Steve Smtih (Steve's address would be fetched from the address book).

Doesn't that depend, at least partially, on the theme used? Still, even without that I'm afraid I don't agree that tabs are more integrated in UI than the toolbar.

To me tabs seem more "immediate" to the contents it's displaying. With toolbar-buttons there would be a separation between the view-selection and the actual view.

But, I'll see if I could create a mockup with traditional buttons as opposed to tabs, so we could see what it looks like .

Maybe, but then again: if we have both a toolbar and a tab-bar people's eyes would become tired.

I don't think so. Firefox has both and there are no issues with eyes becoming tired.

And even more so the further apart the two are.

I'm not sure what you mean here.... There are lots of apps that have both toolbar and tab-bar, and there are no such issues.

OK, here's a version with buttons as opposed to tabs:

Janne wrote:OK, here's a version with buttons as opposed to tabs:

Should this be default push buttons or buttons in a toolbar?

msoeken wrote:

Janne wrote:OK, here's a version with buttons as opposed to tabs:

Should this be default push buttons or buttons in a toolbar?

I would say that they are butttons in a toolbar.

I think that I'll go to the KDE-PIM list with this suggestion (both of them) in the near future. Are there any other improvements or suggestions you have in mind?

I will also probably make the case for a new addressbook, as detailed here, as well as talk of the "Personal Information Manager" mentioned here.

Any thoughts or suggestions related to any of these? If you do, please comments in the appropriate threads .

Janne wrote:I think that I'll go to the KDE-PIM list with this suggestion (both of them) in the near future. Are there any other improvements or suggestions you have in mind?

I will also probably make the case for a new addressbook, as detailed here, as well as talk of the "Personal Information Manager" mentioned here.

Any thoughts or suggestions related to any of these? If you do, please comments in the appropriate threads .

Idea for korganizer tags

SeaJey wrote:

Janne wrote:I think that I'll go to the KDE-PIM list with this suggestion (both of them) in the near future. Are there any other improvements or suggestions you have in mind?

I will also probably make the case for a new addressbook, as detailed here, as well as talk of the "Personal Information Manager" mentioned here.

Any thoughts or suggestions related to any of these? If you do, please comments in the appropriate threads .

Idea for korganizer tags

Cool, I'll refer to that suggestion as well when I post to the list .