A cursory glance at this update seems to indicate that Discover has selected for removal many of my most used applications.
...so it can install some firmware and vulkan stuff.
There is no way I can agree to this update as it appears here.
Whats the deal with that?

https://imgur.com/gallery/UW1Xnbi

clementine: preferred music player
dolphin: file manager
ffmpeg: application that two of my computers use to spend 100% of their time reencoding or recording video
geeqie: how i cull photos and generally view images
gimp: GIMP
kubuntu-settings-desktop: seems like a bad thing to remove from a kubuntu install
libffmpegthumbnailer5: generates thumbnails for the dozens of terabytes of video I have recorded
mvp: the core of my preferred media player
smplayer: my preferred media player
vlc: my secondary media player
plasma-workspace: seriously?

I installed Kubuntu 22.04 to my secondary pc last night. So I figured I could try out the demonic update on it. An almost identical update, as a few things have been added since my prior post.
After the update and prior to rebooting I tried to start Dolphin; one of the applications the update said it would remove, and i got this:
https://imgur.com/gallery/YFIhthz

Then I rebooted. And got this:
https://imgur.com/gallery/S7V6EO4

Note the lack of a session in the top left session selector. Yes, there are none there.
So I attempt to log in..... nope. I could enter the password and hit enter, but nothing happened.
It would seem that this "update" has fully hosed this freshly installed system, as I expected.

Seriously?

it is easier to read if you copy and paste the text, it takes some extra work to view the images well on smaller laptop screens
if you can't copy from that window, you can get the same output via apt update and apt full-upgrade in the terminal.

But my very strong guess from your first image is that a PPA you added is causing conflicts, one of the Savoury ones for audio related libraries, I presume.
You probably will want to ppa-purge that, at the very least.

After that, I have no idea.
The SDDM screen you have is a fallback default.
Looks like a lot of stuff got removed.

You might try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop or plasma-desktop after removing that PPA, and downgrading its packages back to stock (via ppa-purge) to see if that will pull in all the missing items, or at least give some error messaging as to what might be blocking things.

claydoh wrote:if you can't copy from that window, you can get the same output via apt update and apt full-upgrade in the terminal.

Yeah, sorry.
if you click the imgur image it 'pops out', then right click and open that in a new tab..... allows a bit more readability. I cant copy the Discover text afaik, and I dont trust apt upgrade to show it to me before it just executes it all...on my one functional PC.
...but imgur scales everything. Weak.
https://imgur.com/gallery/Um9lBJQ

claydoh wrote:a PPA you added is causing conflicts

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user@betlogbeast:~$cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*|sed '/^#/d'|sort -u
deb [arch=amd64] https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/danielrichter2007/grub-customizer/ubuntu/ jammy main
deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/phoerious/keepassxc/ubuntu/ jammy main
deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/savoury1/ffmpeg4/ubuntu/ jammy main
deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/savoury1/ffmpeg5/ubuntu/ jammy main


The ffmpeg4/5 PPA does probably have audio elements, however I have been using it 24/7 on both PCs for numerous weeks. If ffmpeg4/5 is the cause then it's only just become an issue. I wouldn't expect this problem to originate at their end. It is the likely candidate though.
Of course I will systematically strip/re-add all the 3rd party PPAs when i resurrect the hosed machine.

claydoh wrote:The SDDM screen you have is a fallback default.

probably sddm-theme-breeze being removed.

claydoh wrote:You might try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop or plasma-desktop after removing that PPA, and downgrading its packages back to stock (via ppa-purge) to see if that will pull in all the missing items, or at least give some error messaging as to what might be blocking things.

I'll reinstall the latest LTS image and try re-adding the PPAs one at a time. Unfortunately all of these things except grub-customizer are essentials, so thats still a problem.

I'm stunned that this results in such a comprehensively hosed system. I couldnt even force it to switch to a console TTY. Nothing.

I'd appreciate anyone linking me up if they have heard of similar grief in the PPA-specific communities I listed above.

betlog wrote:if you click the imgur image it 'pops out', then right click and open that in a new tab..... allows a bit more readability.

Sure, but you can't copy and paste any interesting text from an image.
Just some little things that makes it easier for us to help you

The ffmpeg4/5 PPA does probably have audio elements, however I have been using it 24/7 on both PCs for numerous weeks. If ffmpeg4/5 is the cause then it's only just become an issue. I wouldn't expect this problem to originate at their end. It is the likely candidate though.
Of course I will systematically strip/re-add all the 3rd party PPAs when i resurrect the hosed machine.

Actually, an update to one or both of those PPAS , is very likely THE cause. From your very first image, all the removals are there in order to be able to install the packages listed at the bottom -- and almost ALL of them are from the Savoury PPAs. The last updates to both PPAs were in the past 2 days.
None of the others you have listed should be an issue as they don't touch much of anything outside of their specific applications provided. Ffmpeg touches a ton more things.

Also, I have had similar problem with his ffmpeg PPAs in the past, back in 20.04, and earlier, usually resolved within days, though. But he has so darned many.....
I won't use his sources myself anymore, but that is just me.

I'm stunned that this results in such a comprehensively hosed system. I couldnt even force it to switch to a console TTY. Nothing.

I'd appreciate anyone linking me up if they have heard of similar grief in the PPA-specific communities I listed above.

Do make sure to use apt-full upgrade instead of apt upgrade if working on the command line. Adding external sources that can be updated very often makes using this command switch more appropriate. Discover is using this method anyway.

You don't need to reinstall, necessarily. If this happens again, or he hasn't fixed any issues, Just use ppa-purge to remove and downgrade the relevant packages, starting with the ffmpeg5 , then the other.

ffmpeg is the problem.
Which is surprising considering (afaik) it is other updates, and not ffmpeg, that seem to have bought about the conflicts.
But I could have easily missed seeing ppa:savory1 in recent updates immediately prior to the breakage.

I have ticketed it on https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/10282#ticket
But iirc they are very slow to respond. Particularly to wishy-washy verbose reports like the one I just wrote.

> I have had similar problem with his ffmpeg PPAs
Do you have any suggestions so I can get ffmpeg running again? I cant use repo v7.4 due to the lag issue, and of course it refuses to install anyway (vis above ticket).

>You don't need to reinstall
Yeah. This PC is fine minus savory1 ppa, i just cant use ffmpeg at all right now. Sucks, but short term tolerable.
However I cant even get a tty on the 2nd PC which I test-hosed, and I refuse to screw around, so i'll reinstall. But it's completely useless without ffmpeg anyway; re-encoding is its primary function.

betlog wrote:ffmpeg is the problem.
Which is surprising considering (afaik) it is other updates, and not ffmpeg, that seem to have bought about the conflicts.
But I could have easily missed seeing ppa:savory1 in recent updates immediately prior to the breakage.

The first image clearly shows that packages from the savoury repos are breaking things- apt needs to remove things in order to install those packages.

I have ticketed it on https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/10282#ticket
But iirc they are very slow to respond. Particularly to wishy-washy verbose reports like the one I just wrote.

I am not sure that the ffmpeg devs have any reationship to Rob Savoury's PPAs. he is the one you need to repoprt a bug to, as it is a packaging conflict, not ffmpeg itself.

[quote]> I have had similar problem with his ffmpeg PPAs
Do you have any suggestions so I can get ffmpeg running again? I cant use repo v7.4 due to the lag issue, and of course it refuses to install anyway (vis above ticket).]/quote]
No, not off the top of my head. I am sure that there are other sources.
There are also static builds on Ffmpeg's website that should work fine, with some symlinking.

it seems Mr. Savoury has made his PPAs only available to subscribers.
Kinda janky that this will break people's systems if they are not paying extra attention.

https://norden.social/@RobSavoury
https://launchpad.net/~savoury1
I have also replied with this news over on Kubuntu's forums.

claydoh wrote:There are also static builds on Ffmpeg's website that should work fine, with some symlinking.

All the debs I found failed with : ERROR: Cannot Satisfy Dependencies. Which is interesting: I have been attempting to dist-upgrade from 22.04 to 22.10 (which has a v5 repo binary), but even this OS update has been failing for no good reason. Like something is jamming up my dpkg suite.

claydoh wrote:it seems Mr. Savoury has made his PPAs only available to subscribers.
Kinda janky that this will break people's systems if they are not paying extra attention.

Could just be a quick short term way of stopping people from having their OS crippled.
Or given that he announced subscription is required on the 24th, but only just commented on it being active ~20 hours ago: maaaaaybe I was the first victim of his 'subscriber only access' policy. ;)

claydoh wrote:I have also replied with this news over on Kubuntu's forums.

Linked for completion:
https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/cur ... 387-ffmpeg