XiniX wrote:Wow penguin, well constructed post! Maybe, just maybe, something else is wrong if you cannot move a post. The problem might just not be KDE, but, err, yourself.....

Post? Maybe it is but maybe it isn't. But, I'm going to err on the side of caution and suggest it's not me.

penguin wrote:I cannot even move a window/GUI screen when it opens. I HATE the new beta (KDE 4.2). Awful! :thumbs_down:

Yeah, I am pretty sure that is a bug. I can move windows, unless they are maximized.

TheBlackCat wrote:

penguin wrote:I cannot even move a window/GUI screen when it opens. I HATE the new beta (KDE 4.2). Awful! :thumbs_down:

Yeah, I am pretty sure that is a bug. I can move windows, unless they are maximized.

Bit OT: I can even move them when they are maximized. Just hold down the mouse button, and move it to a screen edge. It will be moved to another virtual desktop.

msoeken wrote:

TheBlackCat wrote:

penguin wrote:I cannot even move a window/GUI screen when it opens. I HATE the new beta (KDE 4.2). Awful! :thumbs_down:

Yeah, I am pretty sure that is a bug. I can move windows, unless they are maximized.

Bit OT: I can even move them when they are maximized. Just hold down the mouse button, and move it to a screen edge. It will be moved to another virtual desktop.

Further OT: There's a handy setting in kwin that lets you freely move and resize maximised windows, at the expense of creating a border around the window so that e.g. scrollbars are no longer flush with the side of the screen.

Whole KDE4 stuff meant as "great innovation in desktop design". Some guys (mostly authors) think that it is. But experienced users do not accept "shiny new concepts" because they break habits. Bad or good but people used to work some convenient way with KDE3. Then comes KDE4 with a lot of bugs, broken and missing functionality, different menus and sequences... but with "great new concept". What reaction you may expect? Exactly the same that Vista for WinXP users. UNACCEPTABLE.

I do not use KDE since I installed few fresh distros with KDE4. I use Gnome though I do not like it. Why? Because it does not break my work habbits, does not require a lot of time searching for right button to get some ususal thing done. The same says Linux today.

So, KDE4 guys, you're loosing your old faithful army. I'm cheeking periodically new builds from Kubuntu (4.2RC now) and see no real progress. I even tried to "live whole day" on KDE4.2RC last friday. Buggy and unconvinient but glowing and shiny. I returned back to Gnome again.

What developers do to rescue situation? Only some pittances like folder "view for desktop" or other most demanded and most discussed old features.

"Never look back", guys, your work is for new coming generations, not for us, old horses of former century

If KDE4 where a car... I do not know how to drive it.

alukin wrote:Whole KDE4 stuff meant as "great innovation in desktop design". Some guys (mostly authors) think that it is. But experienced users do not accept "shiny new concepts" because they break habits. Bad or good but people used to work some convenient way with KDE3. Then comes KDE4 with a lot of bugs, broken and missing functionality, different menus and sequences... but with "great new concept". What reaction you may expect? Exactly the same that it is on Vista. UNACCEPTABLE.

I do not use KDE since I installed few fresh distros with KDE4. I use Gnome though I do not like it. Why? Because it does not break my work habbits, does not require a lot of time searching for right button to get some ususal thing done. The same says Linus today.

So, KDE4 guys, you're loosing your old faithful army. I'm cheeking periodically new builds from Kubuntu (4.2RC now) and see no real progress. I even tried to "live whole day" on KDE4.2RC last friday. Buggy and unconvinient but glowing and shiny. I returned back to Gnome again.

What developers do to rescue situation? Only some pittances like folder "view for desktop" or other most demanded and most discussed old features.

"Never look back", guys, your work is for new coming generations, not for us, old horses of former century

If KDE4 where a car... I do not know how to drive it.

What is this Broken / Missing functionality? If the developers are not aware of it, it will never be implemented.

I have to reiterate bcooksley's point. A good example would be the comments section of Digg, that did not work properly in Konqueror. No one had bothered to report it, because they thought it was "obvious". The problem was, no one of the developers used Digg. As soon as they were aware of the problem, they fixed it.

Yes, I agree. I will have to move back to a Debian-based distro that still uses KDE 3 unless I can deal with Gnome.

There are too many bugs and crashes. I tried to take a snapshot of my desktop screen going haywire but the entire system crashed. I had to reboot.

I was able to use the mouse for a while but applications would not close. I had 3D effects options turned OFF.

That's too much that happened to put the plame on KDE. In the past two months the only crash I get every now and then is a krunner crash I can't nail down.

@penguin: You are also using NVidia, which is widely known to cause a huge range of unusual bugs ( such as the Plasma crash that cannot be backtraced due to a missing symbol )

It is these lower level systems which cause problems that reflect on KDE because KDE 4 is moving into previously uncharted territory ( ARGB visuals, heavy SVG use, etc )

I have an Intel based system and do not experience any Slow resizing, Crashes or screen corruptions for example.

penguin wrote:Yes, I agree. I will have to move back to a Debian-based distro that still uses KDE 3 unless I can deal with Gnome.

There are too many bugs and crashes. I tried to take a snapshot of my desktop screen going haywire but the entire system crashed. I had to reboot.

I was able to use the mouse for a while but applications would not close. I had 3D effects options turned OFF.

Well thats sounds like a bug in the 180.* nvidia drivers. There are users of other DEs who have the same issue. Take a look in the nvnews.net linux support forum. Nvidia devs stated that they can not reproduce it yet. It seems that not all Nvidia 180.* users suffer from that. That happens for me about once a day (sometimes a few day without that, then on an other day 3 or 4 times).

How can I get to increase the screen resolution in KDE, in either Opensuse or Kubuntu, so I dont have a massive gap on the left side of the screen? I have a 1600 x 1050 LCD monitor, and when using opensuse or kubuntu with KDE 3.5 or 4.1 or 4.2, I have noticed the highest resolution was 800 x 600, and the icons and fonts seem very large.
Any help in solving this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

John

You can use System Settings > Display for this.

bcooksley wrote:KDE 4 is slow in VirtualBox for two reasons:

• Debugging information is included, increasing the size of the executables, libraries, etc. that get loaded from disk.
• all the scalable graphics have transparencies which must be drawn completely on the CPU, because graphics are not accelerated in VirtualBox.

After reading a blog posting on Planet KDE about problems of KDE 4 without composition, I am digging out this old thread. Recently I came around trying Kubuntu 9.04 Beta (KDE 4.2.1) natively (and on VirtualBox also) on my computer, it is reasonably fast. It seems that debugging information is not the problem, thus it must be the scalable graphics with transparencies. I take it that at the moment it is impossible to run KDE 4 with reasonable speed without hardware graphics acceleration, right?

Does the design of KDE 4 allow for the slowness on VirtualBox to be remedied at some point in the future? If it doesn't, would it theoretically be possible to replace certain parts of KDE (Plasma?) with something newly written (like, without transparencies in the scalable graphics) that isn't slow on VirtualBox, while still keep using all the rest of KDE? Was it a deliberate decision to forever sacrifice performance on VirtualBox in favor of the benefits of scalable graphics with transparencies?