Ahh, thank you!

Now I can look forward to 10.10!

Well, personally I have been a Windows user for 7 years, KDE is like Windows. I like the UI, too. GNOME is ugly to me. its just that its faster. I dont think it would be too easy to change from gnome to kde.

I find it strange hearing people say that GNOME is ugly and KDE is attractive. I have had an on-off relationship with KDE in the past but I can't imagine how it could be considered more attractive than GNOME. Making every single thing on a desktop look shiny is not good design, it just looks plasticky and cheap. Looks to me like programmers are doing the graphic design for KDE instead of graphic designers.

I'm currently waiting for 4.6 before I give 4.x a go again, there have been just too many problems for me so far with 4.x (silent data loss in dolphin, dodgy PIM etc). Having all my google calendar events deleted by kcalendar was the final straw a few months ago; I got rid.

I tried KDE 3.5 and GNOME as alternatives, and ended up using both on different boxes. KDE 3.5 is great but I know I can't use it much longer. GNOME is very stable and mature at the moment though as well. PIM works nicely, it's pretty fast on my hardware, and there are nice touches like global panel menu and slab menu, and I think GTK apps are better in general than the kDE4 versions, again, just more mature really.

I will keep trying KDE 4.x periodically though, and will probably switch back one day, because KDE's got more potential. Seems to me (a not_very_clued_up_at_all end user) that KDE reaches further than GNOME in trying for so much integration, which explains why it has more failings.

spoovy wrote:I find it strange hearing people say that GNOME is ugly and KDE is attractive. I have had an on-off relationship with KDE in the past but I can't imagine how it could be considered more attractive than GNOME. Making every single thing on a desktop look shiny is not good design, it just looks plasticky and cheap. Looks to me like programmers are doing the graphic design for KDE instead of graphic designers.

well it's not strange.. lots of people said that becasue a lots of people like kde way.. you have different point of view.

spoovy wrote:I'm currently waiting for 4.6 before I give 4.x a go again, there have been just too many problems for me so far with 4.x (silent data loss in dolphin, dodgy PIM etc). Having all my google calendar events deleted by kcalendar was the final straw a few months ago; I got rid.

i can image with arch you have some trouble... my point of distro is this...

why should i lost my time configuring a system when there is debian\kubuntu that is made ? kde it's pretty good for me here on kubuntu no issue really..
yea maybe bluedevil
or other little stuff but i guess i will lose much more time learning arch i guess..

spoovy wrote:
I tried KDE 3.5 and GNOME as alternatives, and ended up using both on different boxes. KDE 3.5 is great but I know I can't use it much longer. GNOME is very stable and mature at the moment though as well. PIM works nicely, it's pretty fast on my hardware, and there are nice touches like global panel menu and slab menu, and I think GTK apps are better in general than the kDE4 versions, again, just more mature really.

kde3 is dead no sense at all.
you think gtk is better ? i think no

kdenlive k3b vlc vlmc digikam krita subtitle composer Minitube Minitunes? k9copy man2dvd ? (against ... brasero ? :S never worked ... openshot ? omg slow python software. ) multimedia is much more better on qt i guess... and multimedia is the real think nowadays.

spoovy wrote:I will keep trying KDE 4.x periodically though, and will probably switch back one day, because KDE's got more potential. Seems to me (a not_very_clued_up_at_all end user) that KDE reaches further than GNOME in trying for so much integration, which explains why it has more failings.

you should change distro try live cd... i can't find any failings like you said ... my system just go and ...170mega of ram with effects pretty fast for me..

opensuse or kubuntu ready to go.

nowardev wrote:why should i lost my time configuring a system when there is debian\kubuntu that is made ? kde it's pretty good for me here on kubuntu no issue really..

You are lucky. A fresh install of Kubuntu 10.04 solved the dancing icon issue (icons were moving up&down a few pixels when I hovered the mouse over them), but KNetworkManager is still a huge pile of you-know-what. It crashes in every 30-90 minutes and still doesn't know about mobile connections.
Kill it and replace it with nm-applet, and problems are immediately solved.
And both are "just" a front-end of 'networkmanager'.

I've used it for Mobile connections for quite a while now... and it is rock solid stable. Hasn't crashed either, otherwise kded4 would go down, which is quite noticable.

Don't know why you are having problems. Likely related to Kubuntu 10.04 however, which used the monolithic version of KNetworkManager rather than the Plasma based "Network Management" I think. ( I use Network Management )

karatedog wrote:

nowardev wrote:why should i lost my time configuring a system when there is debian\kubuntu that is made ? kde it's pretty good for me here on kubuntu no issue really..

You are lucky. A fresh install of Kubuntu 10.04 solved the dancing icon issue (icons were moving up&down a few pixels when I hovered the mouse over them), but KNetworkManager is still a huge pile of you-know-what. It crashes in every 30-90 minutes and still doesn't know about mobile connections.
Kill it and replace it with nm-applet, and problems are immediately solved.
And both are "just" a front-end of 'networkmanager'.

dancing icon? :S here it's working without issue like debian testing...

omg i have knetworkmanager and it never crashed. mobile connections i have used my nokia 5800 without so much problem but i have no money for 90 minutes of connection i have used it only to test for normal user eth and wifi psk wpa2 here it's working good... there is always wicd-qt....

how did you install kde on ubuntu? really i support kubuntu channel and i have never see a user with your problems.

nowardev wrote:dancing icon? :S here it's working without issue like debian testing...

omg i have knetworkmanager and it never crashed. mobile connections i have used my nokia 5800 without so much problem but i have no money for 90 minutes of connection i have used it only to test for normal user eth and wifi psk wpa2 here it's working good... there is always wicd-qt....

how did you install kde on ubuntu? really i support kubuntu channel and i have never see a user with your problems.

It was a clean Kubuntu 10.04 install with click-click-click-finish install style. I had a Nokia N95 and tried to use internet sharing. Now I have a HTC Hero.
Whenever I connect the phone there won't be any new connection in the knetworkmanager menu.
However it is funny that if I kill knetworkmanager, then start nm-applet, then connect trough the phone to the net, THEN I kill nm-applet and start knetworkmanager again, the connection is there, and I can set its properties, etc.
I'll try again sometimes with a new Kubuntu install, 'coz now I'm back a bit to Windows 7 (where mobile connection won't work at all )

incadudeF wrote:i have only used GNOME and im wondering how hard it is to change to KDE and get used to it?

I have moved to KDE about a month ago. I had very hard time with KDE. It's been much harder than when I moved to Ubuntu Gnome from XP.

It is not easy to find helps in google.com. It is maybe because there are less users than GNOME. If there is a small bug, GNOME users usually suggests tricks to fix it temporarily before a new GNOME release.

If you do not have big problems with GNOME, I strongly suggest you to stay with it. GNOME is not highly configurable as much as KDE. But KDE is very hard to configure.

Good thing about KDE is the speed. I have 2GB RAM. It seems a lot faster than GNOME in my machine. And you do not have to install Compiz. KDE comes with many desktop effects. Again, the configuration is not easy as in Compiz. Not because you have to do it manually in text configuration file, it is because English terms and relationships between effects are not clear. There are more than one place changing one configuration like XP. It confuse users.

I also experienced many times that applying changes of KDE System Setting caused KWIN not responding. I think KDE is so buggy.

These are my personal opinion from one month of experience in KDE.

The issue with KWin is known, and is a regression. Unfortunately, it hasn't yet been fixed in trunk.

Can you please explain how the English is unclear? There may be some jargon terms present in System Settings which needs clarifying.

Have you searched the forums for possible fixes? In some cases, workarounds have been found to missing features or bugs.

What other troubles did you have with configuring KDE? Which version of KDE did you use?

Dear bcooksley,

I must change this sentence, "it is because English terms and relationships between effects are not clear." to "it is because relationships between effects are not clearly explained in the configuration".

When I had problems with Desktop Effects, I did not know what to turn off and what to turn on. For example, Present Windows worked very nicely. After resetting all configuration to default and reconfigure the effects again, zoom out correctly but white out each box. So, I cannot see the contents. I know I can fix it because it worked in same machine. However, There is no hint what to turn on and what to turn off. Thank you.

since1992 wrote:I have moved to KDE about a month ago. I had very hard time with KDE. It's been much harder than when I moved to Ubuntu Gnome from XP.

I beg to differ. I was a hardcore Windows XP user, but I've switched to Linux and KDE years ago and I felt like at home. I've gave Gnome a try too, but it wasn't very good experience, because of few things I'll explain later.

It is not easy to find helps in google.com. It is maybe because there are less users than GNOME. If there is a small bug, GNOME users usually suggests tricks to fix it temporarily before a new GNOME release.

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. I found much less problems with KDE than with Gnome, because KDE offers much more configuration options and I don't have to edit some gconf. Last time I checked there are more KDE users which isn't surprising.

If you do not have big problems with GNOME, I strongly suggest you to stay with it. GNOME is not highly configurable as much as KDE. But KDE is very hard to configure.

I do not. I'd give KDE a try, because it offers much more features and it follows smarter usability designs like single panel and systems settings are in the single place, so you don't have to move your mouse all the time and do dozens of clicks to change some options.

Good thing about KDE is the speed. I have 2GB RAM. It seems a lot faster than GNOME in my machine. And you do not have to install Compiz. KDE comes with many desktop effects. Again, the configuration is not easy as in Compiz. Not because you have to do it manually in text configuration file, it is because English terms and relationships between effects are not clear. There are more than one place changing one configuration like XP. It confuse users.

I feel exactly opposite when comes to Kwin vs Compiz configuration. Compiz settings are just too messy to set up everything what you need easily. In KDE there's everything in one place and there are nice descriptions. "There are more than one place changing one configuration like XP. It confuse users." Something like this is present in Gnome not in KDE! It's funny you mentioned this when talking about compiz, but you didn't mention Gnome settings are just placed all over the place which is very confusing.

I also experienced many times that applying changes of KDE System Setting caused KWIN not responding. I think KDE is so buggy.

No, you think graphic drivers are buggy.

Pawlerson wrote:
Last time I checked there are more KDE users which isn't surprising..

I'd like to see it if you remember the source. I couldn't find one neutral poll since 2008 that says KDE is more popular. It's usually about 35% KDE with Gnome being the most popular. This is typical of what I see http://cristalinux.blogspot.com/2010/10/kde-versus-gnome.html

I have noticed, however that there seem to be more people using Kubuntu on Ubuntu forums than there were last year.

CraigPaleo wrote:

Pawlerson wrote:
Last time I checked there are more KDE users which isn't surprising..

I'd like to see it if you remember the source. I couldn't find one neutral poll since 2008 that says KDE is more popular. It's usually about 35% KDE with Gnome being the most popular. This is typical of what I see [urlhttp://cristalinux.blogspot.com/2010/10/kde-versus-gnome.html/url]

I have noticed, however that there seem to be more people using Kubuntu on Ubuntu forums than there were last year.

It was linuxquestions.org. In 2006 KDE had 56.58% and Gnome had only 30.56%. However, it seems situation is different today, because of Ubuntu popularity. Gnome is popular just because it's default Ubuntu desktop environment and many Ubuntu users have no idea what KDE is. Just look at launchpad' blueprints and there are many feature request for Ubuntu, but those features are already present in KDE. Gnome popularity is unnaturally driven by some lobbyists. It will be great if Linux vendors would offer statistics like Arch Linux does:

https://www.archlinux.de/?page=FunStatistics

Pawlerson wrote:
It was linuxquestions.org. In 2006 KDE had 56.58% and Gnome had only 30.56%. However, it seems situation is different today, because of Ubuntu popularity. Gnome is popular just because it's default Ubuntu desktop environment and many Ubuntu users have no idea what KDE is. Just look at launchpad' blueprints and there are many feature request for Ubuntu, but those features are already present in KDE. Gnome popularity is unnaturally driven by some lobbyists. It will be great if Linux vendors would offer statistics like Arch Linux does:

https://www.archlinux.de/?page=FunStatistics

That's understandable. I tried out the live CD of Trinity Maverick 10.10, which is a KDE 3.5 spin and was quite surprised and impressed by it. I'm sure it ran circles around Gnome back in 2006. I wish KDE had more corporate backing. It deserves it.

How does Arch come up with those statistics? Are they based on downloads?