I notice that, in the bug list, Konqueror and KOffice have more bugs than most, if not all, other applications. It must be time and resource consuming to develop these two big heavy applications. KDE is like an "open source Microsoft" ( except that KDE does not include the OS underneath) , a complete desktop system for all major OS', and there are too much work KDE developers have to do.

SO why not suspend the development of components like Konqueror and KOffice and focus the limited and valuable resources on other parts of this great project? After all, there are Firefox and Openoffice, both of which are very good and widely used ( Konqueror and KOffice are very good, too, but not as popular as the formers).

Firefox and OpenOffice are both bloated, do not respect KDE's settings, do not look completely native ( Firefox especially ), and do not use native KDE infrastructure such as KIO. They can also not be restricted through KDE's Kiosk framework.

Firefox also uses Gtk+ which causes an unneeded dependency for KDE users, and causes increased memory consumption just for underlying infrastructure, and OpenOffice uses Java, parts of which are not OSS, which also increases startup time and memory use. It also causes usage of different locations for storing of settings, which both applications are at fault of.

Also a web browser and office suite are the most heavily used parts of the modern desktop, and some of the most complex and least glamourous parts to work on. Therefore they suffer from a lack of developer power, which causes bugs to build up. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those bugs were in fact duplicates.

For koffice, see this thread:
does-anybody-use-k ... 34161.html
I use konqueror ~20% of the time (home made statistics... ), but this percentage is raising all the time. Both, firefox and konqueror have their own problems, but konqueror is a really solid app.
I agree with the bcooksley comments.

Konqueror is a much better browser for business use than Firefox which has gone for the leisure market; I use it all the time for work. KOffice is used across the world and supports a number of languages which OpenOffice does not; so it would be a great loss if it were dropped.

RGB wrote:konqueror is a really solid app.

Well I think you are a bit optimistic. Konqueror 4 crash very often and has, in my case, a lot of problems: speed, flash, encoding, cookies...

For my day by day I switch to Arora, a developing software more stable than Konqueror, and Dolphin because I was tired of crash.

It's very sad for me because Konqueror is marvellous in functionality but, 4.2 version, for me, it's really unstable on openSUSE 11.1 and the worst Konqueror version ever released. I hope that Konqueror 4.3 would be a "rock solid" version because I miss Konqueror a lot .

Ignacio Serantes wrote:Well I think you are a bit optimistic. Konqueror 4 crash very often and has, in my case, a lot of problems: speed, flash, encoding, cookies...

For me Konqueror is solid: not a single crash since I installed openSUSE 11.1.
OK, flash is not working and there are problems with gmail, but I cannot see any other problem.
I'm running kde 4.2.1 now.

RGB wrote: but I cannot see any other problem.
I'm running kde 4.2.1 now.

Try to navigate this:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Ha ... index.html

RGB wrote:

Ignacio Serantes wrote:Well I think you are a bit optimistic. Konqueror 4 crash very often and has, in my case, a lot of problems: speed, flash, encoding, cookies...

For me Konqueror is solid: not a single crash since I installed openSUSE 11.1.
OK, flash is not working and there are problems with gmail, but I cannot see any other problem.
I'm running kde 4.2.1 now.

Lucky you..., I try (again) before write this post: A little of IMDB a couple of videos of YouTube, 10-15 minutes of use and crash as usual. Obviously if I found steps to reproduce the crash I would report the bug but sometimes crash and sometimes not. I used for this test Konqueror Version 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 104". Please note that I have two systems, one in my home and one in my work, and Konqueror crash in both.

For the other side I use gmail, I need flash and I need permanent cookies (currently not working) so Konqueror 4.2.1 it's not valid for me and Arora works fine with flash and gmail and google site in general and saves cookies.

Hopefully, encoding bugs seems to be fixed at last and now I can delete and rename my files with Dolphin and I don't need to open Konqueror 3.

Probably, with a system totally in english and navigating only in pages without flash and animated gifs Konqueror works better but, for other environments not. I think a few test with file names in other encodings and with characters of other languages (á, ä, â, ñ, あ, ア, etc...) would not be a bad idea especially if there have been many changes between Qt3 and Qt4 in this area.

It is really frustrating that Konqueror 4.1, an assumed unstable version, works better than 4.2 version, an assumed stable version.

And I want to clarify that I love Konqueror and I will use again when works but for the moment does not work.

SeaJey wrote:

RGB wrote: but I cannot see any other problem.
I'm running kde 4.2.1 now.

Try to navigate this:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Ha ... index.html

Now, I can see a problem... Konqueror crash as soon as I click on "next".
OK, konqueror it is not so stable yet...
Has this crash been reported?

RGB wrote:Now, I can see a problem... Konqueror crash as soon as I click on "next".
OK, konqueror it is not so stable yet...
Has this crash been reported?

I have seen this issue on kde@mail.kde.org - so, kind of.

SeaJey wrote:Try to navigate this:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Ha ... index.html

Yes, it's quite a spectacular crash - the first one I've had using Konqueror!

The real answer is "developers work on what they want to work on" Never forget that for most developers in KDE, it's done on their spare time, so they do what they consider fun to do, and if KOffice/konqueror developers find it fun to hack on those applications it's their (our) choice, and only their (our) choice, to do so. No one in the KDE project can force any developers to start working on something else. Of course, as a user, you are free to not like our work, to consider that we are losing our time (but on the other hand, spare time is about losing one's time, isn't t ?) and to use something else.

Well, I want to use KOffice. More developers working on it would be great, but what can you do... OOo Writer is good enough for me. Krita has better interface than GIMP and Filter Layer... It has potential but without more developers I don't know when and if we are going to get good replacement for GIMP (and Photoshop) and Painter.

They do it in their spare time, they can always leave project, and that is a problem......