Firstly I know I am drawing the flames here but seriously there are many reasons why Gnome is superior to KDE4:
1: While KDE4 focuses on flashy effect and the "wow factor", Gnome focuses on stability and delivering a usable interface.
2: I heard that the KDE4 development team PURPOSELY disabled audio CD support in KDE4, if true they have to be the biggest bunch of idiots this side of moron valley.
I mean come on, how does disabling audio CD playback equal usability?
If KDE4 intends to compete with Gnome or Windows then it must be able to play CD's.
The everyday user still listens to CD's and with the lack of something like Itunes in the linux world where you can buy music online the new user would wonder why the @#$%^ dont audio CD's wont work in KDE4.
If KDE4 intends to be a competing entity it will be sorely left behind if Gnome retains Audio CD playback.
3: Blank DVD's are also not picked up in the current KDE4, was this done on purpose too?
What kind of drug is the KDE4 team on anyway???

I say get off ther drugs, pick up the pace and fix the issues.

:thumbs_down: Kde4 is 16 months old, you show no knowledge of how development in linux works, the only thing you have managed to show is a complete and utter lack of respect to the developers and people working on it.

I understand you are very angry but it's not necessary to start flame bait trolling threads, you can go to the Ubuntu forums for that. One of the reasons I am here and not Ubuntu forums is precisely for that reason.

Please do not contaminate this forum with troll titles and/or threads. really it's not needed.



peace

2: AFAIK KDE didn't purposely disabled audio CD (believe me I thought that to), they just disabled device notifier to ask about audio CDs.
That's because audio CDs are auto-mounted. And in KDE4.3 it device mounter will (AFAIK) ask you what you want to do with it, and everything else.
Same goes for 3. (CDs are played with Dragon player, and since last version Amarok)

Plus you have to take in account that KDE4 was mostly written from beginning, so some of KDE3 features were lost. The best thing to do is to be patient or
use KDE3 /any other DE, WM...

Sunny, you are behaving like a troll. What drug are you on?

I wouldn't mind the insults so much if they were in any way based on "facts", but they're not.

1) While KDE4 focuses on flashy effect and the "wow factor"

As someone who monitors KDE development in great detail, even go so far as to hang out in #kde-commits, I think this is very wrong. You'll find that the amount of time spent on "flashy effects" is a very small amount of the development time by a small minority of developers. For example: pretty much all of the kwin effects have been written by two people - Lucas Murray and Martin Graesslin. For comparison, the number of people who contributed to KDE SVN last month is just shy of 400.

Plasma themes and icons are mainly produced by Nuno who is an artist, not a programmer.

Eye-candy in general is very easy in KDE4 as so much of the heavy-lifting is done by Qt4 and so people often cook-up a quick bit of razzle-dazzle as a break from their other work.

2) I heard that the KDE4 development team PURPOSELY disabled audio CD support in KDE4, if true they have to be the biggest bunch of idiots this side of moron valley.

Just as well it's not true, then. It's classy that you label us all "drug users" based on this unresearched and easily disprovable hearsay, though

3) Blank DVD's are also not picked up in the current KDE4, was this done on purpose too?

No. I don't think people understand just how incredibly hard the port from Qt3 to Qt4 was and just how much damage (in the form of regressions and general breakage) it has left in its wake. Again, some hard numbers: Main porting of the libraries and core apps took roughly two and a half years and about 330000 SVN commits (for perspective: prior to the port to Qt4, there had been ~440000 commits to all of KDE since 1998). It is not complete even now, even if you don't count the fixing of regressions: You'll still find people ferreting out and ditching some kde3support code every so often. There have been instances where a piece of functionality has been deliberately removed or replaced, but in general, it is better to assume that something was too badly broken/ unmaintained to have made it to KDE4 than assuming that the developers are idiots hell-bent on removing useful features for chemically-induced reasons.

You'll have to forgive me if I sound crabby; I've spent about ten hours of my free time this week (while I was already worn out from my day job) working on fixing an utterly unglamorous and pretty damn hard piece of breakage caused by (you guessed it!) the port to Qt4 and am heartily sick of the "KDE devs just focus on eye-candy!" meme

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Sunny Rabbiera wrote:Firstly I know I am drawing the flames here but seriously there are many reasons why Gnome is superior to KDE4:

This would be fine, except I don't think these points are very current.

Sunny Rabbiera wrote:2: I heard that the KDE4 development team PURPOSELY disabled audio CD support in KDE4, if true they have to be the biggest bunch of idiots this side of moron valley.
I mean come on, how does disabling audio CD playback equal usability?
If KDE4 intends to compete with Gnome or Windows then it must be able to play CD's.
The everyday user still listens to CD's and with the lack of something like Itunes in the linux world where you can buy music online the new user would wonder why the @#$%^ dont audio CD's wont work in KDE4.
If KDE4 intends to be a competing entity it will be sorely left behind if Gnome retains Audio CD playback.

CD support was not intentionally removed in any way. The audiocd KIO slave still shipped which shows how much checking you did.
The reason there was no popup was because no application was providing a "Solid Predicate" which matched the Audio CD device type. A tool to edit and create new Solid Predicates will ship with KDE 4.3.

Sunny Rabbiera wrote:3: Blank DVD's are also not picked up in the current KDE4, was this done on purpose too?
What kind of drug is the KDE4 team on anyway???

Same reason as above, no "Solid Predicate" was provided.

Sunny Rabbiera wrote:I say get off ther drugs, pick up the pace and fix the issues.

Please see the KDE Code Of Conduct.

Well done for getting rid of this thread. And even better that I still have time to add my 2 cents' worth

Not only have KDE4 developers purposely excluded audio CD support, no, as soon as you fire up your new and apparently friendly KDE4 they are watching you via pixel 00001211*00002121. It is a secret design feature of EVERY monitor originally hoisted upon manufacturers by the other OS and most evilly exploited by General Zod himself. As a matter of fact, I can see you now picking your nose and eating it, eyes glued to the screen.

What he didn't know, though - after all, he is only a daft KDE developer - is that if YOU manage to tune into HIS pixel you will be able to watch him eat babies for breakfast prior to dancing round their bloody entrails chanting "KDE4, blood and gore, KDE4, blood and gore".

It must be true, I've heard so myself.

GNOME focuses to the users, not to the developers. KDE4 is full with innovations, the brainstorming goes on. But what to do If I'm a Java developer and student who actually doesn't care about the KDE development - who just want to use the newest version of this DE without hacking&cracking&fixing the stuff - because that is not my job.
It's impossible! My first KDE was the 2. GNOME was stupid without great integrated applications, it was so empty. Now GNOME is easier to use. It doesn't have annoying features, bells and whistles. I can use it on productive way.

ps for the KDE fanatics: I'm not a spambot or a troll. I loved KDE and I'm afraid the the popularity of this project is descending.

akoskm wrote:GNOME focuses to the users, not to the developers. KDE4 is full with innovations, the brainstorming goes on. But what to do If I'm a Java developer and student who actually doesn't care about the KDE development - who just want to use the newest version of this DE without hacking&cracking&fixing the stuff - because that is not my job.
It's impossible! My first KDE was the 2. GNOME was stupid without great integrated applications, it was so empty. Now GNOME is easier to use. It doesn't have annoying features, bells and whistles. I can use it on productive way.

ps for the KDE fanatics: I'm not a spambot or a troll. I loved KDE and I'm afraid the the popularity of this project is descending.

Et tu Akoskm?
I'm no dev and I find KDE4 to be suitable for my use.
But I don't need to play audio CDs or DVDs on my computer...
Question: What made you switch to Gnome?
Just that it's more straight-forward to use?
Or to turn the question around:
What drove you from KDE?

toad wrote:Well done for getting rid of this thread. And even better that I still have time to add my 2 cents' worth

Not only have KDE4 developers purposely excluded audio CD support, no, as soon as you fire up your new and apparently friendly KDE4 they are watching you via pixel 00001211*00002121. It is a secret design feature of EVERY monitor originally hoisted upon manufacturers by the other OS and most evilly exploited by General Zod himself. As a matter of fact, I can see you now picking your nose and eating it, eyes glued to the screen.

What he didn't know, though - after all, he is only a daft KDE developer - is that if YOU manage to tune into HIS pixel you will be able to watch him eat babies for breakfast prior to dancing round their bloody entrails chanting "KDE4, blood and gore, KDE4, blood and gore".

It must be true, I've heard so myself.

Damn it man!!

I just laughed so loud I got in trouble at work! :-O
:-D:-D:-D

IMHO gnome is so stable cause:
a) gnome2 is really mature, from 2002
b) it has a lot of companies behind.
c) has a strict set of features

On the other hand KDE4 is:
a) KDE 4.0 is from January 11 2008
b) Has less companies behind it, mainly do to historical issues with qt, a matter that is change gradually as KDE4 gains momentum.
c) Has a nice polished interface, but tons of configure options only a few click away.

hey.. when i first read the title of this thread i thought.. "interesting.. i often think about the reasons why someone would prefer gnome over kde... maybe i will geht some answers here.." but what you wrote Sunny Rabbiera is more than disappointing... no real arguments.. no real reasons.. nothing but insults... this thread is worth nothing.. delete it!

Primoz wrote:
Question: What made you switch to Gnome?
Just that it's more straight-forward to use?
Or to turn the question around:
What drove you from KDE?

I am not the person this was aimed at but I will put my reasons I used kde on kubuntu for several years until 8.10 and kde 4 which I found so bad I have swapped to gnome. I tried 9.04 on my netbook and was quite impressed but after a while wiped it and went back to gnome (unr). Problems were bugginess esp knetworkmanager, heavy on resources (iirc ~240MB on boot vs ~130MB for unr), standard menu was awful and slow, lancelot was nice but very slow. It was much better than kubuntu 8.10 but still had an 'unfinished feel to it.

My main requirement from a de/os is stability. I can't get excited by the de or its features. I just want something to run in the background that enables me to run the apps I want to use. I orignally much preferred kde because I found kde apps were better and I didn't like the gnome 'designed for idiots' approach of limited options and configurability. That still annoys me sometimes about gnome but overall gnome plus the few kde apps that I still need is a better system for me now than kde. Gnome certainly seems more focused on stability and is better for users who just want to get on and do something with it rather than spend a lot of time fiddling with it.

I also think some aspects of gnome have got better ie nautilus and there are more apps available for it than there used to be whereas kde seems to have gone backwards ie Dolphin/konq, Amarok.

I know it has been said before but I think kde4 was released far too early. If kde3.5 had been maintained and kde4 left as a development version until it was 'ready' many of the problems and 'anguish' would have been avoided. It would also have given the kde apps chance to develop decent kde4 versions.

Gnome had already overtaken kde in popularity, mainly due to ubuntu, and I fear that the kde 4 fiasco has speeded that process up and kde is heading towards being a minority de similar to xfce, openbox, enlightenment etc. The danger is that a project as large as kde needs a large number of developers and that will be difficult if its popularity falls too far.

Although, controversially, perhaps that will be good for linux? Linux suffers from too much division and dilution. Perhaps gnome becoming dominant will concentrate development and produce a better os? I just hope that the good kde/qt apps such as kmymoney, digikam etc carry on.

People worried about KDE losing developers as a result of KDE4 should probably take a moment to actually look at the numbers. KDE4.0 was, of course, released in January 2008:

http://etotheipiplusone.com/monthly-contributors.txt

The question of end-user popularity is less clear-cut, though, and it's hard to get firm figures from a large and representative sample (especially post-4.0). One thing stands out, though: if KDE has indeed fallen out of favour with end-users since 4.0, it seems to have fallen into favour with developers.

Here's a really interesting piece by other of the Inkscape developers that touches on the correlation (or lack thereof) between the amount of users and the amount of developers (and a whole bunch of other issues!); I strongly encourage everyone who is interested in open source projects to read it:

http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/dr ... in-paradox

logs_con wrote:Damn it man!!

I just laughed so loud I got in trouble at work! :-O
:-D:-D:-D

Glad somebody's got a sense of humour