i just installed kde 4.2.85. along with all the improvements there are still some things i expect and dont have (while they existed in kde 3)

performance - comparing kde 4.3 and 3.5 on 2 computers side by side - kde 4.2.85 with proper display drivers and compositing disabled on celeron 2.6 ghz with 512 m ram gets close to kde 3.5.10 on pentium 3 1.0 ghz with 256 m ram (examples : scroll the same sites in konqueror (smooth scroll disabled) / switch tabs / resize stuff in kolorpaint). when compared to kde 3.5 on the same computer the difference feels like order of magnitude

konqueror - no tooltips when hovering on filenames (folderview is more capable lol)

konqueror - no file size view / tree view / info list view (ie in folder with mp3s it shows track name and artist / in folder with images image dimensions etc)

konqueror (file management) and dolphin - features of each are missing in the other. no one is a complete tool

Dolphin has the tooltips you are after.
At this time the info list view doesn't appear to provide much meta data, although I don't have Nepomuk enabled.

dolphin is meant to be a stripped down file manager with less advanced features - for a simple user

konqueror's file management in many places is stripped down more than dolphin

as result there still is no all in one powerfull file manager (like konqueror 3). is there going to be one ? is it going to be konqueror ? (so that folders and inet pages can be opened in tabs in same app)

I agree with you! It would be better idea to improve the mighty Konqueror then to develop a new file manager from scratch. It was the most powerful application in the 3.x series - now it's on the same level like the other applications.

ps.: imho Dolphin doesn't want to be Konqueror. afaik Konqueror is the official web-browser in KDE and Dolphin is the file-manager. Strange conception.

ash wrote:dolphin is meant to be a stripped down file manager with less advanced features - for a simple user

konqueror's file management in many places is stripped down more than dolphin

as result there still is no all in one powerfull file manager (like konqueror 3). is there going to be one ? is it going to be konqueror ? (so that folders and inet pages can be opened in tabs in same app)

I thought Konqueror was being re-written as webkit. if this is the case then would that not mean moving away from a file browser?

san wrote:I thought Konqueror was being re-written as webkit. if this is the case then would that not mean moving away from a file browser?

No. File Management and Web Browsing were always different "plugins", changing one does not affect the other.

File Managment facilitites are being consolidated so the common parts can be used by Dolphin and Konqueror. The idea is to have libraries capable of doing the simple and the complex things and have Dolphin use a subset relevant to its target audience.

While I don't have detailed knowledge about the current state, my take is that the libraries are most likely already capable of doing the Konqueror level things, but that the application specific parts like enhanced views are not done yet.

For those wanting to evaluate other file managing alternatives, I think there is a KDE4 version of Krusader available.

Cheers,
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so after all konqueror will be back

now what about performance ?

ash wrote:konqueror - no tooltips when hovering on filenames (folderview is more capable lol)

This has been available since 4.2.0 (or technically, since last August if you were running trunk ).

konqueror - no file size view / tree view / info list view (ie in folder with mp3s it shows track name and artist / in folder with images image dimensions etc)

1. File Size View has never left - ask your distro where they've hidden it

2. Tree View is no longer a separate view - it's a setting in Detailed View, but I forget the name - "expandable folders", or something ... ?

3. Info List View will also not be a separate view, but an "Info" column is planned.

Separate, well-integrated File Views like Tree View and Info List View are casualties of using Dolphin as the file management part that probably won't be fixed any time soon (if at all, I'm afraid). Thankfully, most other regressions can be ironed out

konqueror (file management) and dolphin - features of each are missing in the other. no one is a complete tool

You'll have to be a bit more specific than this I plan (at some point) to move Dolphin's MetaInfo view and Folders sidebar into libkonq so that Konqueror can make use of them. The Konqueror version of the Folders sidebar will likely have a few more options to deal with the auto-scrolling that some people dislike in Dolphin.

There's a vague list of things I want to do here:

http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title ... KonquiTODO

but I have had no time to work on Konqueror in months, alas.

This has been available since 4.2.0

not noticed (and i used kde 4.2.0 4.2.2 4.2.3 a lot)

File Size View has never left

is it in a stand alone package ? it does not appear in the menu in arch linux (which about claims to provide 'the main official kde packages' unpatched)

3. Info List View will also not be a separate view, but an "Info" column is planned.

i dont think a single column is enough. files of same type may have more than 1 metainfo item + a variety of file types can exist in 1 folder. i may want to sort the view by any of the properties

that probably won't be fixed any time soon (if at all, I'm afraid)

if the expandable folders and other features that replace the old ones are easy to find and use thats fine

The FSView plugin is part of the konq-plugins collection released as extragear alongside KDE releases.

GeneralZod

Thank You. I have been looking for days to find out if tool view still existed and how to turn it on.

I never would have thought to look in the "Tool" settings dialog under views in the tab "Details", and called "Expandable folders"--nor would I have thought that it would have been a perment check box instead of a toggle.

Of course the biggest suprise was when I checked the Expandable folders box, closed the dialog and then closed Konqueror and discovered that Konqueror would no longer start--and had to reinstall Konqueror.

This could be beause I am running Konqueror under Gnome Ubuntu 9.04 instead of Kubuntu... Has anyone else had this problem in full versions of KDE?

A general background of my experience. I have been using KDE3 as my windowing system for the last eight years under Suse in my work as a webmaster. I have tried KDE4 three times and went back to KDE3. Last month I tried Kubuntu and in less than 24 hours uninstalled it.

I spent 8 years leanring where everything was in KDE3 and what it was called. I have no desire to relearn EVERYTHING just because the designer thought the new names were cute. If it had been faster or easer to use and remember, I might have decided to spend the time relearning in the expectation of recovering the time lost--because the new system was faster to use. But the terminology was different and more obscure, the locations of important settings spread wider and deeper in dialog boxes and menus and it took more mouse clicks or keystrokes to do almost anything.

So I tried Gnome in Ubuntu 9.04 and installed the KDE4 apps that I used in KDE3. I have been testing and experimenting with this for a month now. The end result is that I really like Gnome and Ubuntu, much better than Suse. It is many time easier to "re-find" system settings and controls and far fewer automatic settings that you don't want and automatically don't like.

As for the KDE4 apps I installed--the jury is still out. I am leaning towards removing the KDE4 apps and seeing if I can use KDE3 apps in Ubuntu--because I can not find any "big improvement" in KDE4 apps that increase workflow, reduce workload or increases the speed of use--or is easier to remember how to use and manage. I'm going to finish configuring KDE4 to my personal prefences and test it more before I decide.

Either way I still think that Konqueror is one of the greatest filemanagers available (good for reading e-books too) and that Kate would be the best editor anywhere if it just had macros. There are other apps that I think are great too but those two are the most important to me.

GeneralZod wrote:

ash wrote:konqueror - no tooltips when hovering on filenames (folderview is more capable lol)

This has been available since 4.2.0 (or technically, since last August if you were running trunk ).

konqueror - no file size view / tree view / info list view (ie in folder with mp3s it shows track name and artist / in folder with images image dimensions etc)

1. File Size View has never left - ask your distro where they've hidden it

2. Tree View is no longer a separate view - it's a setting in Detailed View, but I forget the name - "expandable folders", or something ... ?

3. Info List View will also not be a separate view, but an "Info" column is planned.

Separate, well-integrated File Views like Tree View and Info List View are casualties of using Dolphin as the file management part that probably won't be fixed any time soon (if at all, I'm afraid). Thankfully, most other regressions can be ironed out

konqueror (file management) and dolphin - features of each are missing in the other. no one is a complete tool

You'll have to be a bit more specific than this I plan (at some point) to move Dolphin's MetaInfo view and Folders sidebar into libkonq so that Konqueror can make use of them. The Konqueror version of the Folders sidebar will likely have a few more options to deal with the auto-scrolling that some people dislike in Dolphin.

There's a vague list of things I want to do here:

http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title ... KonquiTODO

but I have had no time to work on Konqueror in months, alas.

The folderview desktop is where KDE4 falls short. If you want the desktop as a place to work, and not a place to part your widgets, you can use folderview to create a desktop that looks like KDE3... but once you start clicking, it feels like a pretty serious downgrade. The panels are much harder to adjdust and more limited, it's slower, you can't move the panels around, you can't drag an image to mount as a desktop background.

Well, whatever. I've been frustrated to the point of ranting like a lunatic in here , torn between my fascination for the advanced information/media center that is KDE4, and my dislike of the denigrated graphical workstation that's underneath all the widgets. Well, I finally reached the point of grasping the obvious, and I knew what I needed to do. I took an old computer I had on a shelf and set up an awesome KDE3 workstation (lenny) right next to my awesome KDE4 information/entertainment desktop (Jaunty). So now, it's all awesome, better than ever. KDE4 performance issues don't affect my workstation. and on the other side of things, it's not going to adversely affect my work in any way if I pimp out my KDE4 desktop with every shiny widget my tacky little heart desires. And of course, there are new possibilities. Can I make a network? I'm having a blast.

I sent KDE fifty dollars. That's a fortune for me. Ordinarily i wouldn't be so tacky as to call attention to my gift (and I've mentioned it before, which is TRULY bad form!) , but now that I've finally got it all figured out, I can support you wholeheartedly, and i want to make a point of it. Even as I'm enjoying KDE4, I'll hold fiercely to KDE3... until you make KDE4 the better DE in every way. We all know that, however long it takes, you will do just that.