stoked wrote:All that containment stuff is a lot more complex than a simple hide option from a users's perspective. Instead of giving us a hide option that everybody understands instantly the user has to worry about containments, activities (believe it or not, but most users have no clue what all this means) or download an additional plasma just to hide that useless cashew. THIS is what I call bad usability...

a) containments and activities are the same thing.

b) "one more simple option!" becomes "18 options each of which 1-2% of the users use".

c) the point of the activity approach is to create bundles of common funtionality that you can choose between, rendering "18 options" into a couple of sensible defaults.

d) if you feel strongly about it, someone will eventually write the "18 options that 1-2% use" containment and it will be exposed to you as an activity choice that gives you all your flexiblity.

e) you have no idea how many people look at plasma and go, "oh nos! it's not what i know! i don't feel it is good!" and then after 1-3 weeks of usage turn around and say, "now that i'm used to it, i like it this way."

we've made it possible for people to change the usability as much as they wish (so petition your distro if you want), but we're (plasma team) adamant on maintaining the course to provide new ideas and new things you can do in the core set we (plasma upstream) deliver. different doesn't mean bad; it doesn't mean good either. it just means different.

and i've heard all the reasons why "different makes it bad" by now, my favourite probably being "it interferes with closing windows!"

aseigo wrote:

eiffel56 wrote:Hello,

what I really, really miss is the feature to move the tabs for each window in that window-list-plasmoid-thingy. I don't know if that feature was present in KDE 3.x(I never really used it, moved from Gnome to KDE 4.1), but that feature was REALLY useful, I miss it a LOT.
Would be interesting if that feature is already in the KDE 4.2 SVN oder something.

if you mean the taskbar, then yes, this is possible in 4.2.

Yes, thank you .

stoked wrote:PLEASE let us hide the top-right cashew!!!

btw, i went and implemented two features someone asked for right on the spot and all there is after that is a **** about one button that gets in your way how?

so .. while that didn't really bother me here (i'm in a good mood today =), you may want to stop, breath and think about whether you would like people such as myself hanging around the forums here. if so, tone it down a notch because it's that kind of behaviour that drives developers away from user forums.

aseigo wrote:

stoked wrote:PLEASE let us hide the top-right cashew!!!

btw, i went and implemented two features someone asked for right on the spot and all there is after that is a **** about one button that gets in your way how?

so .. while that didn't really bother me here (i'm in a good mood today =), you may want to stop, breath and think about whether you would like people such as myself hanging around the forums here. if so, tone it down a notch because it's that kind of behaviour that drives developers away from user forums.

Respect, i wonder if i could be that calm.

Some people in here definitely need a cold shower. The manner some posts are written is absolutely not appropriate and certainly not for such a community. Critisicm is always ok if it is on an objective manner. Espacially attacking people, which deliver you with most fantastic software and components to which plasma belongs without any question, below the belt is something i can never either understand nor respect.

And let's not forget as the (hopefully last) point (on this matter): We are talking about a little cashew in the upper right corner. Seriously, i had more bad showstoppers than that in my linux career...
Let's not forget, it gives us a lot more flexibility due to it's use. It's not only a "cashew" icon in the corner, it gives us the possibility to open a new world of desktop arrangement. And that shouldn't be underestimated.

Heyho,

I think that cashew thingy(did you(=the developers or whatever) ever named it? ) is useful, BUT why not give the option to just hide it? No one says that it has to be the default, just an option. Thats one of the big features of KDE, everything is configurable. Even if _I_ like that cashew thing, I think its a good idea to add a "Hide cashew thingy" option.

By the way. The feature requested by me, to move the tabs for each window in the taskbar, seems not to be implemented in the KDE4 trunk, at least I can't move the tabs on my laptop which is running KDE4 SVN.
Can you confirm that, or is something wrong here?

Thank you

Korosu_Itai wrote:Other things I miss a lot are the "copy to" and "move to" context menu for dolphin, and the file browser (tree view) of kate.

I've just disabled the file browser in kate, so I know it's still there! Try Plugins under Settings where you can check it. Don't forget to save the session when you're satisfied (as default, for instance) or kate won't remember your settings (this I know by bitter, baffled experience).[hr]

JontheEchinda wrote:I usually just use two hands to hit alt-f2. :P

I have large hands!

eiffel56 wrote:I think that cashew thingy(did you(=the developers or whatever) ever named it? ) ...

The cashew in the top-right's official name is the Plasma Toolbox, the cashew in the panel is the Panel Toolbox.

Not many devs use those terms though, it's mostly just a marketing thing.

I like the cashew in the corner, but I agree with eiffel56 that a option would be nice. I also agree with aseigo that this could end up in too many options, but there are often "hidden" options which can be set in the rc files only, so that they do not appear in the graphical user interface. Perhaps this could be a good tradeoff.

And if someone wants a GUI for the "hidden" options they could write a "power options" tool or something like that.

Cheers, m.

It's a damn - so many nice things happened with the desktop in KDE 4 and I couldn't get rid of my old habit of having windows all over my 22" screen - never seeing all those cool plasmoids and cashews...

I'm not sure if it has already been mentioned, but I would love to see some GUI frontend to rsync. There were some application for KDE 3, but not one is being ported, I think.

Of course a more fancy backup solution would be nicer still.

Konqueror funtionality and stability - missing things inc.: "find file" (as in kde3), "filter in folder", "copy path", hoovering previews, extended properties (mp3 stuff)

Applets - the plasmoids have minimal configuration options and are process hogs compared to applets. Miss the kima and tastymenu applets especially

Kcontrol searching - the new system-settings app. is just plain poor including the confusing interface

Knode scoring - crashes the app and the app has a huge memory leak

It's a small thing really, but even so i'd like to see a way to close windows by using the present windows feature. i.e., when you have all the windows laid out in front of you you should be able to close (rather than activate) them by right-clicking, ctrl+lmb or somesuch. Compiz can do this if you have the scale addon installed, it really is quite useful if you need to close several windows in one go.

EDIT: another thing, perhaps this is already possible, it would be nice if we could put something like KDE3's run command applet to panels in KDE4

Main thing I miss is the ability to have parts of the KMenu accessible from the panel. Whilst the Classic Kmenu plasmoid allows you to select Applications, Favorites etc etc as it's start point it doesn't allow you to set Applications->Development->Web Development for example as the start point. May seem like a minor thing but it is a feature I rely on in KDE3 hence why I'm still using KDE3 for my work/business account. It saves me hours of fumbling through menus and my workflow has become accustomed to it. For example I have a heavily customised KMenu with entries for all the servers I manage so that I can have single click SSH access. This Kmenu subsection is then directly embedded into my kicker so a single click gives me a full list of servers and a second click on the server name I need to connect to opens a terminal window and initiates the ssh session. I have a similar menu setup for RDP connections as well. Yes I know I can open a terminal and type ssh or rdesktop but that is still slower than two mouse clicks. Whilst I haven't looked at the Classic KMenu Plasmoids code I can't believe that this would be difficult to achieve. Unfortunately using Favourites doesn't really cover this off as you only have the one set of application links.

I'd also like the ability to change the icon used by both the new and classic KMenu (this is a must have if submenu display as detailed above is ever added). This may already be possible but I can't find anywhere to achieve this (certainly not from any GUI item)?

I do use KDE4 for my personal account where I don't require customised direct access menus and whilst I have found a few annoyances it performs quite well. My main concern/annoyance is that Konqueror and Dolphin both seem slow when trying to view directories with a significant number of files in them (I presume they use a shared KPart and it's this item that has performance issues?). Konqueror in KDE4 seems far slower than Konqueror in KDE3. Whether that is the case or just my imagination I don't know?

Where oh where did the "run command" widget go?