gerlos wrote:It would be fantastic if we could get the same rating toolkit (I hope something like the digikam one) in all KDE applications where it could be useful (dolphin, konqueror, amarok, digikam, gwenview, juk, kwrite, akregator, konsole...) no need to reinvent the wheel and good system integration!

I'm amazed (actually baffled) that Amarok doesn't support nepomuk ratings and other semantic data. Same goes for other KDE applications where ratings make sense.

(One point against using nepomuk data is that not everyone has it enabled. But I take the reason for that is that not many applications make good use of it. If more did, maybe more people would care to use nepomuk. Also, there's no reason not to have support for nepomuk plus one's own "proprietary" rating system in case nepomuk is not enabled.)

I'm currently using bangarang as my media player of choice, one reason being that it uses nepomuk. I hope more applications start making use of it.

Amarok usage of Nepomuk was IIRC discussed at the recent Multimedia sprint in Switzerland.

This is all very interesting, but if "it" (i.e., Nepomuk, et al.) is not documented to the user level, it doesn't exist -- or may as well not exist. Another point, Nepomuk's functionality (or actually lack thereof) is what turned me away from Kontact. Trying to find solutions to fundamental configuration issues was a never-ending problem of "go to this site or that". When some package does not work "out of the box" there's only so much frustration to be endured before looking for some other solution. That was the same concept behind my dumping Amarok, but now I see that Nepomuk will be a part of that also.

Sorry if I sound too negative, or even whiney. but the truth is that with Linux if there's one way to get something done, there are a hundred. I left Kontact for Thunderbird/Lightning, and that combination works exactly the way I need my PIM info to work. I left Amarok for Mplayer/Smplayer because all I want to is play some music while I'm on my computer.

Press on. I wish you well. I'm sure there are people somewhere who want big, heavy, complex solutions to their computing requirements. If Nepomuk, et al, become requirements in order to use KDE, I'll find some other solution to my computing environment.

I've read this forum and the NEPOMUK introductory document mentioned as well... For the average user I just don't see the 'dire need' for this application. Especially for the resources hog that it is... I understand how 'neat' it is but I just don't see the necessity of it. Actually I kind of hate that kde4 preloads strigi and all of this type of stuff by default.

Exactly...average user don't need NEPOMUK. What did GNOME devs do for ver3.0? They don't implement Zeitgeist and GNOME Activity Journal, because they are not ready. Perhaps GNOME devs do not have large balls like KDE devs, but they have brains.

Sorry for my english.

On the application side, implementing semantic stuff is surprisingly easy: I wrote an automated tagger for certain types of data in Python, using the bindings, and it's less than 500 lines of code.
Big applications and consumers of Nepomuk are coming in 4.5 (at least the foundations) with the Activity system in Plasma.

This looks great, but I will never use it, and I fear most other users won't either.
Oh, and a better name may have been useful, who comes up with these useless acronyms?

Never really had a problem with Nepomuk, as at least you can turn it off with ease.

That being said, I do not really understand the point of it, except maybe (read, maybe) as a search tool.

And, for the love of God, please leave Amarok alone. I have already been forced over to Thunderbird via Akonadi, I'd rather not stray away from another program I really like.

I have been interested about Nepomuk since KDE SC was just a idea in developers idea.

But even now, KDE SC 4.5 release week, Nepomuk is almost useless.
I can not find tagging, rating and commenting so easy. Because I can do it only from Dolphin. I want it to be done from save/open dialog. (Yes! Even from open dialog because I can find from there sometimes files what I have missed otherwise! One bad usability desicion was to deny the file renaming in the save/open dialog!)

At this time, we neither has a working search (Strigi is not realtime indexer!) or user interface for it.

Avarage user does not want to type nepomuksearch:// something. Avarage user does not want to use : or even < or > marks. Especially leave off [ and ] or { and }

There are coming improvements for the search UI, but it should be as easy as saying it to your secetery. "Give me project X report from last week". That is the thing how Nepomuk has been marketed, but the results have been technojambo.

I just today installed GNOME and Zeitgeist and I was suprised that the search actually worked. I do not care rating or so on. I just want to find what I ask.

Nepomuk should use , (comma) instead :.
So we could write to search box like:

1. document, edited last week, size under 5Mb, received.

2. picture, received last month from John Doe, Project X.

3. Rolling Stones, I will always miss you.

If needed, then the special marking < and > can be used. Like

4. document, edited < 2 weeks, size < 5Mb, received.

5. picture, taken < 2 weeks, > 1 week, size 1920x1200.

6. created > week 29, monday, meeting.

sorry but i found nepomuk not only useless but it is responsable that i miss in my desktop a real search tool. When i installed the KDE 3.5 , i was impressed when i typed the name of a contact and it gaves me the phone number of the contact! The user is satisfy when his system is more advanced than him.
eg: When you are user and you click on a menu and you see that the developper has provided all to feet your needs and other things that you did nt think about before but the developper knows better than you and there are all here and you find out new things that you wanted but you did nt knew it before,, thats what sould be in projects like KDE because i used to be like that before and when i choosed it i was proud for it.

I am a KDE user and fun for many years, i have KDE in my system since the KDE2, and when i say something bad for KDE i am ill and i have pain in my stomach, but i have to be honest and say the things.