StopTheFail wrote:

airdrik wrote:My experience with Kubuntu (which I have installed next to PCLinuxOS with KDE 4.3.2 from their kde4 repos) is that it is still Ubuntu + KDE - gnome desktop. It still uses gnome/Ubuntu apps where they can make use of KDE apps/technology. Yesterday I was ripping some CDs, and when I popped in the CD it was a gnome/ubuntu prompt which asked which (gnome) app I wanted to use to open the CD (one for playing and one for ripping). No KDE apps in the menu. I had to do some digging to find K3B to rip the CD.

I haven't found this with Kubuntu. Was that Ubuntu with the KDE desktop installed into it or a clean Kubuntu install?

I'm testing with a Kubuntu 9.04 updated to 4.3.2 here.

I'm not sure exactly, I think it was Ubuntu with Kubuntu packages installed, but I'm not entirely sure (though I am using the PPA repo for KDE4.3 on 9.04). I suppose that would make the difference, except that even if you install that way it *should* (one would normally expect) still set up KDE with the KDE services and not the gnome/ubuntu services unless there is a service provided by the gnome/ubuntu services which isn't available (or currently installed) in the KDE install. In my mind it is yet another example of how Kubuntu is still a second-class citizen.

MountainX wrote:Thanks. Too bad Mandriva also uses RPM. I want something as good as OpenSUSE, but with debian package management. Kubuntu is not it.

Why is this a problem? I would actually see it as an advantage. RPM is a lot more robust (break a package in apt and see what happens) and easily allows parallel installation of different architectures (no need for 32bit chroot on mandriva, just use the package manager and install any 32bit app you want)

I prefer Fedora. PCLinuxOS and Kubuntu are good to.

I didn't like KDE in Fedora because they don't split the KDE packages into separate packages for each application. I wanted to get rid of applications I would never use but couldn't, because then I'd also have to get rid of Kmail and other useful stuff I did want. Every other distribution seems to split the KDE packages into separate applications, but Fedora's statement on this was that it would be too much work to maintain.

I find the naming convention of RPM systems...confusing. At least in Debian packages it's sanely named.

ad_267 wrote:I didn't like KDE in Fedora because they don't split the KDE packages into separate packages for each application. I wanted to get rid of applications I would never use but couldn't, because then I'd also have to get rid of Kmail and other useful stuff I did want. Every other distribution seems to split the KDE packages into separate applications, but Fedora's statement on this was that it would be too much work to maintain.

I agree on this, and I firmly believe Fedora has a strong enough community to maintain the separate packages. Some of the most active packagers I have met packaged things for Fedora. Hopefully they decide to split KDE packages soon, but I doubt it.

Dante Ashton wrote:I find the naming convention of RPM systems...confusing. At least in Debian packages it's sanely named.

I don't find it that confusing, but then again I used Fedora even when I was a noob. I suppose I just grew with it as I gained experience (in Linux) and therefore it doesn't bother me. Some of it is preference too. I plan to install Arch Linux when I have more time, because I have heard wonderful things about the packaging. After reading the man pages at archlinux.org, it really does seem easy to use and maintain...which is good for me because I don't have the time to spend.

ad_267 wrote:I didn't like KDE in Fedora because they don't split the KDE packages into separate packages for each application. I wanted to get rid of applications I would never use but couldn't, because then I'd also have to get rid of Kmail and other useful stuff I did want. Every other distribution seems to split the KDE packages into separate applications, but Fedora's statement on this was that it would be too much work to maintain.

In that case try mandriva

Dante Ashton wrote:I find the naming convention of RPM systems...confusing. At least in Debian packages it's sanely named.

They are actually working on fixing this, I believe. Recently Novell and Red Hat got together to unify and improve their RPM implementations and I recall this is one of the areas they both agreed they will fix.

I dont really see any problems with rpm naming convention, not on mandriva anyway, I do not like however that when you search for a packages you will get lib* (and translation) packages too, which I think is more a problem of the packamanager than of rpm per se, spitting out these packages actually does make a lot of sense...

Well I recomend Arch with KDEmod. For me it's the best. It's stable, bugs are repaired in matter of days and you get the modularity of KDE with quite a lot of aditional plasmoids, windecos and apps.
Only thing is that 64bit is always a bit behind and Kopete doesn't work on it..
But other than that it's dream distro.

Primoz wrote:Well I recomend Arch with KDEmod. For me it's the best. It's stable, bugs are repaired in matter of days and you get the modularity of KDE with quite a lot of aditional plasmoids, windecos and apps.
Only thing is that 64bit is always a bit behind and Kopete doesn't work on it..
But other than that it's dream distro.

Yeah, i agree with you, Arch Linux with KDEmod it's pretty stable.,.
But from my past experience openSUSE also great too, i always recommended openSUSE to Windows user. After while if they already comfortable with openSUSE, i'll recommended to try using Arch Linux.,.

I run Linux Mint KDE and I really like it. All the benefits of Kubuntu plus the Mint tools and cool extras Mint brings to the table. I'm really looking forward to Linux Mint 8.

kubuntu + a lots of customizations = for me is the best.

archlinux 64bits with kde4.4 (fairly stable for the moment ).

You know, if only I had the mad skillz it takes to run a distro...I'd probably like to do a revamped Kubuntu; try and bring a full-on experience (Kompile, if that's still around, would be nice) alongside a lot of mods to make VLC and other such apps play nicely.

Something like Linux Mint, but with KDE as it's focus. Debian based, for sure.