well i use kde3 as i dont feal that kde4 is not reday, and whill not be ready untill i can get somthing that is lika a clone of kde3, primarly in design but thats mostly upp to 3partys to make good work..

but some things need 2 be adressed as multiline taskmanager,there is a 3party one but it diddent work(the deb) and the compiling info is non-exisstent..

so thats a thing that i feal shuld be adressed by kde-theme as it is such a desktop system critical thing..

and in genrel make plasma work like kicker panel and reusing the kde3 panel setting modul for plasma as it was i general rely good..

and drop dependency for Dolphin and oxygen as it is 2 things that i rely dislike

dolphin is useles 4 me as i use dubbel klick and hate non ore singel klick interface. and it dosent give anything that konq dosent have, so pretty mouch useles.. (if any one likes to instal it later fine by me but not having it as a dependency part of the system)

and the original kde menu is not fully usefull but is a complement to kbfx as it is a bit slow when having tons of apps (gnome,kde3,kde4 almoust all media players etc)

and as i have tons off apps that i havent used or even know if i have them ore not i need a fast menu for beowsing tons off apps, and the dayly apps i have in a hidden panel on the fast apps starter panel app.

and yea i kcontroll would be nice to have as a option 2 in kde4..

and i realy dont care if the desktop is called kde gnome or wathewer i want my desktop 2 look and work in general the same..

> and in genrel make plasma work like kicker panel and reusing the kde3 panel setting modul for plasma as it was i general rely good..

It wasn't perfect, therefore the hard work on Plasma.

> and drop dependency for Dolphin and oxygen as it is 2 things that i rely dislike

What Oxygen? The style, the icon theme, the windeco, ...?

> dolphin is useles 4 me as i use dubbel klick and hate non ore singel klick interface.

Doesn't it depend on your settings? Just like in Konqueror?

> and it dosent give anything that konq dosent have, so pretty mouch useles..

Dolphin is a plain filemanager, Konqueror is more of a power tool for both file and web browsing. There are many who prefer Dolphin so I wouldn't call it useless. And hey. If you prefer Konqueror, why don't you just stick to it?

Before you post future posts, I suggest you to read what you've written at least once. Your English isn't bad, but it seems you're just very careless with your spelling, which makes it pretty hard to read.

I really liked the sentence "1 hour with KDE4 is enough to persuade a poweruser to switch to windows.".
Which kind of power users? The ones who pay 80€ for a stupid "Antivirus uber-we-rescue-the-world-and-defeat-the-evil-hackers(!!)" software? The ones who reinstall their operating system every 6-12 months just to keep it running at a acceptable speed? *laugh*

Microsoft Windows is not userfriendly, and if Microsoft follows the current design, it will never be userfriendly. 5000 popups for "Antivirus updates", Firewall warnings, driver updates, ... .Every application looks completely different. Some applications are green, some blue. Its just AWFUL to use Microsoft Windows, no matter which version you choose.

KDE4 is not perfect. It is espacially not bug free. But it is MUCH better than any other graphical userinterface I've seen yet. Its easy to use, consistent, fast(!), feature rich, ...
Your problem is that you just don't want to learn something new. KDE4 IS new. It has a new way of working with your computer. Its _NOT_ the way you try to "work" with your computer if you use Microsoft Windows. Just forget anything you know about userinterfaces, and start working with KDE4. You will learn that the way KDE4 does it is great. Its kind of difficult(I used Gnome for years now, and moved 2-3 weeks ago to KDE4). But if you take a weekend or so to learn how to use it, it will be great to use. And much easier than any Microsoft Windows something foobar professional super-ultimate-home-business-blah.

of_darkness wrote:well i use kde3 as i dont feal that kde4 is not reday, and whill not be ready untill i can get somthing that is lika a clone of kde3, primarly in design but thats mostly upp to 3partys to make good work..

If you want KDE3, why not simply use KDE3?

and in genrel make plasma work like kicker panel and reusing the kde3 panel setting modul for plasma as it was i general rely good..

If you want Kicker, why not use KDE3? It seems like that you want a desktop that looks, feels and behaves like KDE3 does. But you already have it. It's called KDE 3.5.

and drop dependency for Dolphin and oxygen as it is 2 things that i rely dislike

Should dependancies be added and dropped based on what you like and dislike? I don't think it quite works that way.... besides, is there a dependancy on Oxygen? It's the default style, that's all.

dolphin is useles 4 me as i use dubbel klick and hate non ore singel klick interface.

KDE uses single-click by default (which I happen to like). But you can configure it to use doubleclick instead. So it's up to you.

and it dosent give anything that konq dosent have, so pretty mouch useles

It's simpler than Konqueror is, and that alone is a plus.

I think that's funny when someone acts as a poweruser, but cant find a way to configure from single click to double click

Hans wrote:> and in genrel make plasma work like kicker panel and reusing the kde3 panel setting modul for plasma as it was i general rely good..

It wasn't perfect, therefore the hard work on Plasma.

> and drop dependency for Dolphin and oxygen as it is 2 things that i rely dislike

What Oxygen? The style, the icon theme, the windeco, ...?

> dolphin is useles 4 me as i use dubbel klick and hate non ore singel klick interface.

Doesn't it depend on your settings? Just like in Konqueror?

> and it dosent give anything that konq dosent have, so pretty mouch useles..



Before you post future posts, I suggest you to read what you've written at least once. Your English isn't bad, but it seems you're just very careless with your spelling, which makes it pretty hard to read.

It wasn't perfect, therefore the hard work on Plasma.

maby not perfect but alot esier and better then teh existing one wich could naturly be a complemnt to the systemsettings modual for configuring plasma panels.

What Oxygen? The style, the icon theme, the windeco, ...?

all of them, i want to have a kde 4 purged of them as i personly just hate them.

Doesn't it depend on your settings? Just like in Konqueror?

No i mean it is just a useles app that ahs been developed and is promted as somthing good and shiny thing in kde4. -just my personal oppnion.

Dolphin is a plain filemanager, Konqueror is more of a power tool for both file and web browsing. There are many who prefer Dolphin so I wouldn't call it useless. And hey. If you prefer Konqueror, why don't you just stick to it?

it is a core part of kde4 and have depndencys to the rest of core kde4 thats why ppl are irritated about it.
and why have plain file mangers?? i cant jsut understand it. but thats me and my oppnion.

Before you post future posts, I suggest you to read what you've written at least once. Your English isn't bad, but it seems you're just very careless with your spelling, which makes it pretty hard to read.

sorry but i suck at spelling both swedish and even more in english so sorry for the bad spelling but its nothing i can do about.

of_darkness:

I'm not sure what distribution or OS you are using, but you may be interested in KDEmod. It is only available for Arch Linux, but will let you install just the parts of KDE that you want (the 'mod' stands for 'modular').

If installing Arch is a bit to daunting for you, I would recommend looking at Chakra. The project is not finished, but may be helpful to you when it is released.

Also, (coming from Arch+KDEmod), I had originally planned to make my own splitted KDE for FreeBSD, but never figured out how to make multiple packages from a single FreeBSD port. Oh well...

Should dependancies be added and dropped based on what you like and dislike? I don't think it quite works that way.... besides, is there a dependancy on Oxygen? It's the default style, that's all.

package dependency. as i dont want to have it installed.

KDE uses single-click by default (which I happen to like). But you can configure it to use doubleclick instead. So it's up to you.

The ide behind why dolphin was created was to make a singel click app wich is madness, singel click is maddnes in my mind.

If you want Kicker, why not use KDE3? It seems like that you want a desktop that looks, feels and behaves like KDE3 does. But you already have it. It's called KDE 3.5.

as it is being fased out in allmost all dists so.. and i think that in genreal all major desktops should behave in genreal the same, windows,kde,gnome etc.

If you want Kicker, why not use KDE3? It seems like that you want a desktop that looks, feels and behaves like KDE3 does. But you already have it. It's called KDE 3.5.

as i said most dists. are letting go of kde3 and thats a problem.

i could have stayd whit alot of kde3 apps if not it was phased out.. and the new kde4 versiosn have the same names and makes it imposssible to have them side by side and to have the rest of your operating system uppdated.[hr]

jrick wrote:of_darkness:

I'm not sure what distribution or OS you are using, but you may be interested in KDEmod. It is only available for Arch Linux, but will let you install just the parts of KDE that you want (the 'mod' stands for 'modular').

If installing Arch is a bit to daunting for you, I would recommend looking at Chakra. The project is not finished, but may be helpful to you when it is released.

Also, (coming from Arch+KDEmod), I had originally planned to make my own splitted KDE for FreeBSD, but never figured out how to make multiple packages from a single FreeBSD port. Oh well...

Im using ubuntu and 3party repo 4 kde3, and a svn build of kde4, but i i could not get extrager:/ and manual compiling is broken tried it severals times:/

naah only ubuntu debian and deavriats is intresting and has enough of apps:P i love instaling and trying out diffrent apps so:/ but thanx 4 the tip:)

of_darkness wrote:.....

package dependency problems you have to take it to your distro they decide it and not KDE

Double click you can easy select it in system settings > keyboard and mouse.

You the community can try to make a repo for your distro with KDE 3, if they don't use it anymore, I know for kubuntu intrepid there is someone that is trying to do that.[hr]

jrick wrote:

If installing Arch is a bit to daunting for you, I would recommend looking at Chakra. The project is not finished, but may be helpful to you when it is released.

Thanks for that link didn't know about this project, always wanted to try Arch but i hated the install method of it. I'm a bit lazy and used to easy install

of_darkness wrote:maby not perfect but alot esier and better then teh existing one wich could naturly be a complemnt to the systemsettings modual for configuring plasma panels.

I like the new one better. The new configuration way more flexible. It's not quite ready yet (in my opinion), the panel configuration surly still needs some love.

all of them, i want to have a kde 4 purged of them as i personly just hate them.

Well, people have different tastes, not much to do about it. Just use another style/icon theme etc.? I don't get why you're frustrated that it ships with KDE.

it is a core part of kde4 and have depndencys to the rest of core kde4 thats why ppl are irritated about it.
and why have plain file mangers?? i cant jsut understand it. but thats me and my oppnion.

People? Haven't heard much complaint about Dolphin lately. I remember the (unjustified) bashing when it was announced that it was going to "replace" Konqueror though.

I don't get why you should have file management and web browser in one application, but that's just me.

KDE is about freedom, you're free to use whatever fits you best. I have never really thought about removing Dolphin, but is it really not possible?

sorry but i suck at spelling both swedish and even more in english so sorry for the bad spelling but its nothing i can do about.

No need to apologize. Try to use a spell checker, then your posts will look a little more tidy and you might even improve your spelling. Win-win.

So you're from Sweden too? Nice. Or did I misunderstand you?

Dryfit wrote:

of_darkness wrote:.....

package dependency problems you have to take it to your distro they decide it and not KDE

Double click you can easy select it in system settings > keyboard and mouse.

You the community can try to make a repo for your distro with KDE 3, if they don't use it anymore, I know for kubuntu intrepid there is someone that is trying to do that.[hr]

jrick wrote:

If installing Arch is a bit to daunting for you, I would recommend looking at Chakra. The project is not finished, but may be helpful to you when it is released.

Thanks for that link didn't know about this project, always wanted to try Arch but i hated the install method of it. I'm a bit lazy and used to easy install

You the community can try to make a repo for your distro with KDE 3, if they don't use it anymore, I know for kubuntu intrepid there is someone that is trying to do that.

yeah im using it now but it is not optional in any way as it is replcing the kde4 packges, and the hardy kde4 ppa is pretty bad(or maby the kde4 version is broken dunno witch). and it is bugging on my machine (havent sean any other one report problems about it so)

and making one for my self is wayyy over my head[hr]

Hans wrote:

of_darkness wrote:maby not perfect but alot esier and better then teh existing one wich could naturly be a complemnt to the systemsettings modual for configuring plasma panels.

Hans wrote:I like the new one better. The new configuration way more flexible. It's not quite ready yet (in my opinion), the panel configuration surly still needs some love.

well i tied it but naah it raly hard 2 use and as kde just lags and blaah so it gets realy hard.. and obstinat.. the kde3 one was realy easy and you could fast configure all your panels, i usaly use 3 panels one att the bottom (83 pixels high) and 2 hidden drop down panels ,one 4 the fast starter apps (80pix. high and expandeble) and another one whit kima and stuff

and to play around with souch a configuration using the new panel config would be irritating..

of_darkness wrote:all of them, i want to have a kde 4 purged of them as i personly just hate them.

Hans wrote:Well, people have different tastes, not much to do about it. Just use another style/icon theme etc.? I don't get why you're frustrated that it ships with KDE.

its a irritating thing ,and iam one who get stuck on small things
that makes me realy **** off

of_darkness wrote:it is a core part of kde4 and have depndencys to the rest of core kde4 thats why ppl are irritated about it.
and why have plain file mangers?? i cant just understand it. but thats me and my oppnion.

Hans wrote:People? Haven't heard much complaint about Dolphin lately. I remember the (unjustified) bashing when it was announced that it was going to "replace" Konqueror though.

I don't get why you should have file management and web browser in one application, but that's just me.

KDE is about freedom, you're free to use whatever fits you best. I have never really thought about removing Dolphin, but is it really not possible?

not possible in ubuntu/kubuntu and i guess there some reson why that is so that can be found in haow kde4 is made.

of_darkness wrote:sorry but i suck at spelling both swedish and even more in english so sorry for the bad spelling but its nothing i can do about.

Hans wrote:No need to apologize. Try to use a spell checker, then your posts will look a little more tidy and you might even improve your spelling. Win-win.

Nahh 1stly, no good ones that i found, and secondly akregator dosent have one builtin to it so..

Hans wrote:So you're from Sweden too? Nice. Or did I misunderstand you?

Yupp im a Stockholmare:P

If you don't like Oxygen, use another theme. Simple as that. I like the Oxygen icons, but didn't like the Oxygen Desktop Theme - so now I use "Elegance".

I use Gentoo, and I can install KDE in sets, so I pretty much have a huge amount of control as to what gets put into my KDE installation.

I used to hate Single Click too - coming from Windows - but now I find it a huge amount faster. In fact now, I hate having to Double Click I personally like Dolphin instead of Konqueror, and I use Konqueror extremely minimally. However, I didn't rant in web forums asking Konqueror to be removed from the KDE package.

Moult wrote:If you don't like Oxygen, use another theme. Simple as that. I like the Oxygen icons, but didn't like the Oxygen Desktop Theme - so now I use "Elegance".

But you still se the style in the list of styles and youl have it if you do a reinstall and so on, and for me i get **** of jsut by looking at it..

Moult wrote:I use Gentoo, and I can install KDE in sets, so I pretty much have a huge amount of control as to what gets put into my KDE installation.

well i love the deb format and the tools,i cant littary use a computer vitout synaptic and aptitude no others tools can match them in any way.. so ubuntu as ground to work of on..

but yea some better tools to compile stuff would be good 2 have in ubuntu 2..

Moult wrote:I used to hate Single Click too - coming from Windows - but now I find it a huge amount faster. In fact now, I hate having to Double Click I personally like Dolphin instead of Konqueror, and I use Konqueror extremely minimally.

well im often tired(to the brink of falling asleep at the comp) and a not wery paitent person so single click neads a person in control of them self in a way that im not so single click is for me somthing totaly alien..

Moult wrote:However, I didn't rant in web forums asking Konqueror to be removed from the KDE package.

Well i se it as if i can get enough ppl who dosent like it speking upp then they in turn can get others to join in the "rant".

I rely dont care if its politics or company desicions or wathewer, if i dont like somthing il use evry whenu i can to speak upp.

and this is a wenu to say your oppnion about kde so thats whay i give my oppnion simple as that.

hofully someone reads it and feals like, yeah i feal just like that and maybe some has enough knowhouw to make a devriat to ubuntu/kubuntu that blends kde3 and kde4 and modds kde4 in the way i want..

- but yeah i realice that a whery whery hopful thinking thats has none to slim chans of come 2 reality but hey if i can get some steam of by "ranting" thats good 2..

of_darkness wrote:well i use kde3 as i dont feal that kde4 is not reday, and whill not be ready untill i can get somthing that is lika a clone of kde3, primarly in design but thats mostly upp to 3partys to make good work..

but some things need 2 be adressed as multiline taskmanager,there is a 3party one but it diddent work(the deb) and the compiling info is non-exisstent..

so thats a thing that i feal shuld be adressed by kde-theme as it is such a desktop system critical thing..

and in genrel make plasma work like kicker panel and reusing the kde3 panel setting modul for plasma as it was i general rely good..

and drop dependency for Dolphin and oxygen as it is 2 things that i rely dislike

dolphin is useles 4 me as i use dubbel klick and hate non ore singel klick interface. and it dosent give anything that konq dosent have, so pretty mouch useles.. (if any one likes to instal it later fine by me but not having it as a dependency part of the system)

and the original kde menu is not fully usefull but is a complement to kbfx as it is a bit slow when having tons of apps (gnome,kde3,kde4 almoust all media players etc)

and as i have tons off apps that i havent used or even know if i have them ore not i need a fast menu for beowsing tons off apps, and the dayly apps i have in a hidden panel on the fast apps starter panel app.

and yea i kcontroll would be nice to have as a option 2 in kde4..

and i realy dont care if the desktop is called kde gnome or wathewer i want my desktop 2 look and work in general the same..

@of_darkness - my apologies if English is not your native tongue, but if it is, then I want to give you a dead arm: that was shocking.

socceroos wrote:

of_darkness wrote:... truncated to save space...

@of_darkness - my apologies if English is not your native tongue, but if it is, then I want to give you a dead arm: that was shocking.

Ehm my bad spelling is not the topic. and if you would have bothered to lock upp a few posts you would have ben able to notice that english is not my native tunge in writning nor yeat in speach(in reading and hearing it almoust could be).