I'd prefer if more people started working on KHTML, but there's a problem.
The reason so many people are behind Webkit is because it's owned by Apple, and Apple piggy-backs off it in order to advertise one product (Safari) and sell others (iPhone/Mac). If Webkit gets wide-spread coverage, Apple products do. KHTML has no such company throwing its weight behind it. Then there's also Google advertising its use of Webkit, and the Webkit developers themselves advertising its features and standards-compatibility.

It is a serious error as you include a file manager Dolphin. Konqueror should continue to improve. I do not agree to use another program that limits the versatility of konqueror.

I could do many activities with konqueror. One of the reasons why I switched to free software is the great value and versatility that the konqueror that you are limiting because now is not developing rapidly.

Go back to giving priority to Konqueror.

Henry

The cold hard truth is that Konqueror is the worst browser I have ever used. If I install Windows XP/Vista/7 or pretty much any GNOME based Linux distro, I get a fully working default browser.
Saying it has other uses also has little point, as most KDE distros use Dolphin as the File Manager. Konqueror is shipped as THE DEFAULT BROWSER.
Saying "It works for me" isn't good enough either. It doesn't work properly with a lot of sites, and with quite a few not at all. I have lost track of the amount of bug reports I have filed in the 2 years I have used Linux/KDE on and off. They never get fixed. Infact the only real advancements I have noticed in Konqueror are it works okish with YouTube now, and AdblockPlus no longer screws up if you add filter sets. That's it.
The complaints about Konqueror go back years. I have found posts from 2005 and before saying the exact same things that posts in 2009 state. Konqueror. Just. Doesn't. Work. It's simple and clear, it's been shouted out from more blogs and forum posts than I care to count, and yet you still bury your heads in the sand and carry on with the same broken layout engine.
Even Internet Explorer 6 outperforms Konqueror, and that's what, 8 years old? And you don't have the marketshare to force web devs to make sure that their pages work with your browser.
Konqueror in it's current state holds the rest of KDE back. It's as simple as that. Why should I recommend any KDE based distro to family/friends when it doesn't work properly? Why don't the KHTML devs make life easier for themselves and everyone else by switching to WebKit? And before you say it has issues, rekonq already obliterates that argument, and it's only 2 preview releases old.

It really is time to either man up or give up. Let KHTML R.I.P, or continue to be held back, and be the laughing stock of Linux.

RaiCoss wrote:as most KDE distros use Dolphin as the File Manager. Konqueror is shipped as THE DEFAULT BROWSER.

On openSUSE 11.2 the default browser will be firefox.

RaiCoss wrote:Saying "It works for me" isn't good enough either.

Why? There is something called "user case". I do not browse complex sites, I do not use heavy flash sites, only site I know that use ajax is the brainstorming subforum...
But I need to work a lot on ftp sites, download a lot of small files from different sites, upload files... on this user case, Konqueror is a must.
Yes, every now and then I find a site in which Konqueror have troubles. On those cases, right click -> Open with -> Arora is enough.
Yes, gmail use the html front-end in konqueror, so? I prefer it.
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Nothing more, nothing less. Konqueror is not perfect, that's true. But firefox is not perfect either, nor it is arora... I don't care about perfection, I care about my work, and my work is a lot easier with Konqueror.
Konqueror do not work for you? I can understand that: yours is another user case which need to be solved with another browser. But please, don't assume that the whole human kind have your same problems because that is not true.
It works for me.

RGB wrote:

RaiCoss wrote:as most KDE distros use Dolphin as the File Manager. Konqueror is shipped as THE DEFAULT BROWSER.

On openSUSE 11.2 the default browser will be firefox.

RaiCoss wrote:Saying "It works for me" isn't good enough either.

Why? There is something called "user case". I do not browse complex sites, I do not use heavy flash sites, only site I know that use ajax is the brainstorming subforum...
But I need to work a lot on ftp sites, download a lot of small files from different sites, upload files... on this user case, Konqueror is a must.
Yes, every now and then I find a site in which Konqueror have troubles. On those cases, right click -> Open with -> Arora is enough.
Yes, gmail use the html front-end in konqueror, so? I prefer it.
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Nothing more, nothing less. Konqueror is not perfect, that's true. But firefox is not perfect either, nor it is arora... I don't care about perfection, I care about my work, and my work is a lot easier with Konqueror.
Konqueror do not work for you? I can understand that: yours is another user case which need to be solved with another browser. But please, don't assume that the whole human kind have your same problems because that is not true.
It works for me.

Will it integrate properly with KDE? I can easily download Firefox from the repo right now, but that really is not the point. Firefox does not integrate into KDE the way Konqueror and rekonq do. It's just messy that way.
You also defeat your own argument by saying "I do not browse complex sites". Konqueror works fine if you don't browse anything complex, but it seriously borks if you browse a lot of sites that use Flash and Java content.
There are hundreds of blog and forums posts that go back over half a decade complaining about the same issues.
What sort of impression is a new user going to get when they go to use a browser that dies on something even IE6 wouldn't break a sweat over?

And again for like the 3rd time, why is Konqueror the default browser when it doesn't work properly? Windows and Mac can't get away with this. Why can KDE based Linux?

And of course what it usually boils down to when someone points out a major problem in Linux is "don't like it, then fix it yourself", which kind of explains why desktop Linux is such a small market share.... >____<

openSUSE always do a good job integrating firefox into kde: look and feel is almost ok (oxygen icons, color scheme, etc.), only the file picker is "wrong".
There was discussion about making arora or rekonq the default kde browser on openSUSE but the conclusion was they are not "on age" yet. Maybe on openSUSE 11.3
I don't think the "I do not browse complex sites" defeat my argument... because I did not provide any argument at all I just said "Konqueror works for me" and that's true. Arora is a wonderful lightweight browser, it is very difficult to find a site that do not work on it... but for my user-case it is not that useful: it lacks many powerful tools only available on Konqueror that are vital for my work flow. That's all.

Are you reading at all? The distro providers decide what browser is the default browser for their distro. Firefox is the default in Mandriva. It will be the default for OpenSUSE.

Besides, flash/java is hardly a problem any more, at least, it hasn't been for me. Youtube, Vimeo, Google Video and several flash gaming sites I've gone to have cause no problems and no slow-downs in konqueror. The only problem I experience is with WYSIWYG editors, I.E. (some) Google services. In these cases, I just switch over to the Webkit KPart and be done with it.
Besides, if you don't like Konqueror, don't use it. Install something else and be happy. Just stop complaining about problems in KHTML that the developers already know about and are already working on, all 3 of them. ¬_¬

TheBlackCat wrote: But webkit, as it stands now, cannot work as well as KHTML in konqueror because of KHTML-specific hacks in the konqueror code.

David Faure himself refuted that myth in one of his rare blog entries.

Cheers,
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