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Are "start menus" good enough?

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malo
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Are "start menus" good enough?

Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:33 pm
Sometimes i wonder why it is needed to have a a "start menu". Todays "start menus" contains a lot of stuff that is put into categories often beacuse the "start menu" is supposed to take up a certain amount of screen space on the left side (or wherever it is placed). This makes navigation hard and requires a lot of navigation techniques to be invented/developed.

What do you think of getting rid of the "start menu" and introduce a hotkey that switches the desktop for a screen containing the items that are in the "start menu" today but in full screen mode?

Of course this this requires fast switching but I don't think this is a problem on somewhat modern hardware.

I think it is time to get rid of the idea that everything must be placed in a window/pop up or something similar.

What do you think??

/Mats
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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:29 pm
You like in gnome 3's gnome shell? I quickly grew tired of it, too much movement on the scree...though I agree the menu needs rethinking
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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:02 pm
I have not tried gnome shell. I dont know much of it.
The idea came from mac os x really. When activating "time machine" the time machine takes over the whole screen, thats when I thougth what if the "start menu" entries was presented full screen with a nice instant fade in/fade out.

I dont know if this is a good idea or not, but it is probably worth thinking about.

/Mats
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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:42 pm
After looking at some Youtube videos showing GNOME SHELL i can say, that was not really what i was aiming for. The "menu" part is too small and is more a "virtual screen manager".

/Mats L.
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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:11 pm
When you consider the redundancy of launchers available, I don't know how necessary such a new launcher would be. You have the main menu which presents applications (and other locations and options) in a categorical fashion, you have various launcher applications/widgets/etc. which can be configured with a set of favorite/frequently-used applications, you have krunner which can be used to launch applications by name or description (or content of file or...), and you can even set up a folder view to point to the applications directory to act as another launcher.
I suppose someone could make another plasmoid which specifically displays all available applications. Set that up with a shortcut key and there you go.


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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:43 am
malo wrote:After looking at some Youtube videos showing GNOME SHELL i can say, that was not really what i was aiming for. The "menu" part is too small and is more a "virtual screen manager".

/Mats L.


It is also the menu and it is only available through the shell, try it at first I liked it but soon I became very tired of it
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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:18 am
I thought about the same thing when I designed my menu (Zetta). The reason I gave up on the fullscreen idea is because it requires too much mouse movement, especially on higher resolutions.

You might be interested in Plasma Netbook that has a (almost) fullscreen application launcher. It's still alpha but can see it here.


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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:47 pm
You are probably right about the mouse movement problem.
Well it was just an idea that popped up, perhaps it triggers some other kind of idea that is useful :-)

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Re: Are "start menus" good enough?

Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:45 pm
airdrik wrote:and you can even set up a folder view to point to the applications directory to act as another launcher.


Actually, I like to use that within dolphin. I keep a shortcut in the places panel with applications:/, just for that. Very convenient when you're already in dolphin and wants quick access to an app without having to hunt around for the start-menu. And even more so for newbies who are not (yet?) familiar with krunner.


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