Alec wrote:Just curious... What's missing in Konqueror 4?

I've been using it as both my filemanager and web browser, and overall it feels pretty much like the old one...

You know, since I posted, I've been asking myself the same question, and I have some answers, good ones, but how significant is the difference? Like I said, Konqueror 4 is probably the second best file manager I've ever used.

I mean, it bugs me that the "go" menu shifts back and forth between the web browser mode and the file manager mode. Sometimes the menu that I want isn't there, and since I still don't get the concept of Konqueror profiles, I'll open up a directory just to get the menu I want. It feels like I have to step over the web browser to get to the file manager. Last time I checked, I wasn't able to mount storage media form Konqueror 4. And if bugs me that after waiting so long for the directory filter bar to be made available, it's case sensitive. Now, these are microscopic inconveniences compared to the hours and hours of work I've already put into making my own distribution.

I just happen to be passionate about Konqueror. Before KDE4, I once started a thread in a Linux Forum entitled "Have I Told You lately that I Love Konqueror?" Konqueror 3 inspired me. When the next version of Xmy distro comes out, anyone will be able to download it, and they will be able to see just how Konqueror inspired me.

Here's the first release. It's not very original, but to Konqueror, Slackware, and Slax, I think it's already pretty awesome. 20 downloads since I finally got it online in the wee hours of Sunday morning.

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page= ... 212331402a


I'm tired of people asking for neat little rational answers and justifications. When I said that KDE4 is the right direction for mainstream KDE development, that was me being rational, but I wasn't lying when I said that I hate Konqueror 4. The sight of those sharp little icons makes me want to go out and punch a cop. Recently, when I discovered I had downloaded Konqueror 4 instead of Konqueror 3 onto Knoppix 6.1, my heart just sank, and I rebooted my live CD. There's no rational reason for that. These feelings are all about passion and inspiration.

It wouldn't surprise me if others are inspired by Konqueror 4 or KDE4 in just the same way. I'm not going to try to talk them out of that. I'm not going to tell them that they're "wrong" to be inspired by Konqueror 4 just because I'm not. This is what "free as in freedom" means. We get to pick our own projects and our own muses, because, thank God and St. Ignutius, we're free. Let's all enjoy it, shall we?:)

aapgorilla wrote:You mean you are not plagued by this bug in file size view?:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180579

I think I have a handle on this one

GeneralZod wrote:

aapgorilla wrote:You mean you are not plagued by this bug in file size view?:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180579

I think I have a handle on this one

And for this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182934?

Ignacio Serantes wrote:And for this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182934?

I'm afraid that's likely way out of my league: I know nothing of char sets

After reading these and thinking back about KDE 3, I have to agree - while there aren't many features that I'm missing, there's something about KDE4 that just isn't the same. It just seems somehow more cold and distant than KDE 3. Or maybe it's just the theme... I wish someone ported Keramik.

GeneralZod wrote:

Ignacio Serantes wrote:And for this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182934?

I'm afraid that's likely way out of my league: I know nothing of char sets

It's a pity but thanks for spend your time reading the report. View all the encoding problems in KDE 4 I asking me how many developers understand the new Qt4 encoding system or even noticed about that changed.

I wonder for how many people these coding problems are a no-go. That will definitly get interesting when the next debian stable is released ...

Ignacio Serantes wrote:

GeneralZod wrote:

Ignacio Serantes wrote:And for this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182934?

I'm afraid that's likely way out of my league: I know nothing of char sets

It's a pity but thanks for spend your time reading the report. View all the encoding problems in KDE 4 I asking me how many developers understand the new Qt4 encoding system or even noticed about that changed.

I'm trying your testcase with SVN trunk, and I'm getting debug output that looks promising to my inexpert eye

Code: Select all

get: "http://music.goo.ne.jp/lyric/search.php?n=%B1%A7%C2%BF%C5%C4%A5%D2%A5%AB%A5%EB&lyric=%B2%CE%BB%EC%B8%A1%BA%F7&t=2"


but I have no idea if the final, retrieved webpage is correct or not as I don't speak Japanese Can you give a screenshot showing what the successful search looks like?

I launch Konqueror 4 and test this bug and is fixed in my current version 4.3.2 but I have no notice because I don't use Konqueror and, as you can see, bug is untouched since Thiago comment.

I changed the bug to fixed and thank you to noticed me for the correction.

Ignacio Serantes wrote:I launch Konqueror 4 and test this bug and is fixed in my current version 4.3.2 but I have no notice because I don't use Konqueror and, as you can see, bug is untouched since Thiago comment.

I changed the bug to fixed and thank you to noticed me for the correction.

Just FYI: This seems to be where it was fixed -

http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1015943

GeneralZod wrote:Just FYI: This seems to be where it was fixed -

http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1015943

I see, two months ago. It's a pity that he don't read my report because probably similar fix must be apply to ktts.

Ignacio Serantes wrote:

GeneralZod wrote:Just FYI: This seems to be where it was fixed -

http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1015943

I see, two months ago. It's a pity that he don't read my report because probably similar fix must be apply to ktts.

Maybe if you ask him nicely, he could do that too. Finding a way to contact him shouldn't be hard

Alec wrote:After reading these and thinking back about KDE 3, I have to agree - while there aren't many features that I'm missing, there's something about KDE4 that just isn't the same. It just seems somehow more cold and distant than KDE 3. Or maybe it's just the theme... I wish someone ported Keramik.

Here's my take on this: I think that Konqueror 3 was built to be the most comprehensive and all- powerful desktop application ever, and Konqueror 4 was built to serve KDE4.

Objectively, a well-planned Desktop is not a bad thing. It's a good idea. Lots of people want that. I may decide that I want that someday. I'm just trying to make that point that when I say I hate Konqueror 4, it's my problem, and my responsibility. I've started making my own live CD because that's how I solve my problem.


Aaron S. wrote an article in early 2008 that said that KDE3 would be supported as ling as it has a user base. Well, KDE still has tons of devoted users, but I read something in Gentoo forums who said that it's being neglected. Did Aaron sell us a bill of goods? Of course not. I think that's because the distros are all dropping it, and once again, the users aren't being consulted. It's not hard to understand, since managing two KDEs seems to be a pain in the ****. I'd love to see KDE3 survive as a subculture of afficianados and crackbrains, and the way to do that is to start new microbrews, tiny distros... especially live CDs. Live CDs allow us to indulge our passion part-time if we like. It allows us to keep the old desktop and the old software bundled together which seems like it ought to be more stable, and I hope and believe that it ameliorates the security concerns that come from running older software, since a reboot completely refreshing the root system. But, of course, the big advantage to live CDs, is that they don't require any real commitment. All you KDE4 peeps can boot my CD when you feel nostalgic or curious. (It's not really a straight KDE disk, btw, the default desktop is fluxbox integrated with Konqueror) which is pretty sweet IMO.

I was afraid of losing KDE3 but now I'm not anymore. It's all good, people! We can have our K and eat it too!

blackbelt_jones wrote:Aaron S. wrote an article in early 2008 that said that KDE3 would be supported as ling as it has a user base. Well, KDE still has tons of devoted users, but I read something in Gentoo forums who said that it's being neglected. Did Aaron sell us a bill of goods? Of course not. I think that's because the distros are all dropping it, and once again, the users aren't being consulted.

To be fair, that was almost two years ago, as hard as it is to believe, and I'm sure you agree that KDE4 came a long way since 4.0. While there have been a ton of devoted users, KDE 3 has lasted. In fact, although Gentoo developers are in the process of tossing out a large number of old KDE 3-based applications which no longer work with the new tools, it still has all the official KDE packages largely intact! (with the exception of KPDF, which has 5 security flaws, and Noatun)

So Aaron was right - while there is a community and it has the people with the ability and willpower to keep it going, KDE 3 will last.

I hope it was clear that I wasn't trying to be critical of Aaron. He's always seemed pretty decent to me, and he takes enough guff. He shouldn't be criticized for not being able to predict the future.

In fact, my point is that he was indeed right, not so much about predicitng the future but about how free software works. The dynamic may need to be tweaked, but I'm grateful to him for showing me the way.

We may have to go around the distros. I'm game. In fact, I'm stoked. I'm just uploading my second release at this moment, and it's not ready for prime time yet, but eventually, my homemade live CD is going to kick ****. Believe it.

People who are interested in keeping KDE3 around can't expect people who are mostly interested in KDE4 to do that for them. And that's a lot of what's been happening. The developers are going to develop new things. That's what the Good Lord made them for. They're using their freedom, and you have to use yours.