Alec wrote:Maybe if you ask him nicely, he could do that too. Finding a way to contact him shouldn't be hard

If was Albert I think that there is no problem, I know it in person.

I he refuses I would try to bribery with a beer in my next trip to Barcelona .

Ignacio Serantes wrote:Time ago, with KDE 4.3.1 or maybe 4.3.0, I don't remember. I just remember that I only need ten minutes to crash Konqueror when I browse imdb.com.

I've never had crash problems. I'm on 4.3.2 now, and imdb.com is not a site that I normally use, but I've just tried it for 15 minutes. The videos didn't play, but video has been a problem or me for a while, although it did work earlier - probably some configuration I changed - but I could still move around freely. It's hard to say what might have caused your problem. Have you tried it recently?

annew wrote:

Ignacio Serantes wrote:Time ago, with KDE 4.3.1 or maybe 4.3.0, I don't remember. I just remember that I only need ten minutes to crash Konqueror when I browse imdb.com.

I've never had crash problems. I'm on 4.3.2 now, and imdb.com is not a site that I normally use, but I've just tried it for 15 minutes. The videos didn't play, but video has been a problem or me for a while, although it did work earlier - probably some configuration I changed - but I could still move around freely. It's hard to say what might have caused your problem. Have you tried it recently?

About crash problems, so sorry but it's hard to believe to me. I use Konqueror 4 since 4.1.0 to 4.3.0 or 4.3.1, I don't remember, and I have many many crashes a day. Off course, there is no problem with simple pages in simple html but, with complex pages with many flash an many tabs open, crash was very common both in 32 and 64 bits versions. I have problems with Google services, Reader, Docs, Mail, etc.. that I use daily, IMDB, YouTube and other pages I don't remember.

Actually I don't use Konqueror 4 anymore, although sometimes I use Konqueror 3 to rename or delete legacy encoding files and with a site that works with legacy encoding, and I don't have any plan to use it again. So, if now is rock solid and is the best browser in the universe, honestly, I don't care.

I'm very happy with alpha Chrome 64, it's fast, it's stable, works great with all the sites I visit and I can see day to day how its improved. On the other side I'm a Nepomuk user so I need Dolphin because Konqueror 4 don't support Nepomuk integration.

If somebody told me a year ago that Konqueror will change its position from the top to the bottom in my list of preferences I don't believe.

Alec wrote:Just curious... What's missing in Konqueror 4?

I've been using it as both my filemanager and web browser, and overall it feels pretty much like the old one...

Last time I looked, (and maybe that was a while ago, so someone please tell me if this has changed) Konqueror 4 was missing the "storage media" window, and that's huge for what I'm doing . Someone told me that this is what was meant by "kioslaves", one of those terms that gets blown around that I never really understood.

http://thekiarablog.blogspot.com/

My live CD is based on Flux/Konqueror, which is exactly what it sounds like, a 100 percent flexible, 100 per cent text based menu and keybinding system (fluxbox) used to deploy a powerful graphical interface (konqueror). I was just beginning this project two years ago when KDE4 started to make the scene, and I had to stand back and decide what this meant for me. If I have to go somewhere else to mount my hard drive, it blasts a hole in my paradigm.

Now, it took me years to comprehend the power of Konqueror 3 and Konqueror 4 is still taking shape. Consider this a hypothesis, not a final judgement: but it appears that Konqueror 3 is so rich and powerful that I was able to build a whole new paradigm around it, but Konqueror 4 seems to be tailored to the KDE4 paradigm. I still try every new KDE4 release, and I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong about this, but I need to be convinced that I am wrong about this before I consider moving on.

One reason why I admire KDE4 even if I'm more into my own trip, is that it builds on the same special abilities that I have. Folderview is an extension of Konqueror's ability to turn any folder into the practical equivalent of a grphical desktop, with icons, links, launchers, the whole nine yards. I'm pretty sure that nautilus can't do all that. Konqueror 3 turns every window manager, including TWM, into a kickass desktop environment. Konqueror 4/Dolphin comes close to doing that. People talk about forking KDE3. That's crazy, but if I had all the brains and money in the world, I would look to create a standalone based on just Konqueror 3 and Konsole.

The Storage Media window was powered by the media:/ KIO slave ( KIO slaves allow you to access urls such as http://, ftp://, sftp://, etc in KDE applications )

it was supposed to be replaced by the places kio slave but nothing so far and really missing too (with out konqueror isn't really a file browser really )

All your mounted and mountable drives and partitions are listed in Places, together with any directories that you have dragged there. Please explain what the 'storage media window' offers that this doesn't?

annew wrote:All your mounted and mountable drives and partitions are listed in Places, together with any directories that you have dragged there. Please explain what the 'storage media window' offers that this doesn't?

Konqueror doesn't have places.

Alec wrote:konqueror doesn't have places.

<sigh> I know that. This was about what konqueror can do that's missing in dolphin. As I said, mounted and mountable devices are listed in Places in dolphin. I don't recall anything in the 'storage media window' that did more than display those devices. So I'm asking, what is the missing feature?

annew wrote:

Alec wrote:konqueror doesn't have places.

<sigh> I know that. This was about what konqueror can do that's missing in dolphin. As I said, mounted and mountable devices are listed in Places in dolphin. I don't recall anything in the 'storage media window' that did more than display those devices. So I'm asking, what is the missing feature?

Sorry if I'm missing something, but this thread is about what Konqueror 4 is missing that Konqueror 3 had. So the storage media window's advantage was that it could display devices inside of Konqueror. As for what Dolphin can't do that Konqueror can, KParts and Bookmarks are at least two that come to mind.

Konqueror is not offered in KDE4 as a file manager, although you can still use it as such. What you might think of as higher-level file management is no longer part of konqueror, and probably won't ever be again. Dolphin has most of those abilities, and many more besides, but it does do things differently, so you have to be prepared to learn afresh. Some things, such as the file size view get their own application instead of being part of the file manager. I suppose that makes sense, really, since it is a viewer, not a manager.

annew wrote:Konqueror is not offered in KDE4 as a file manager, although you can still use it as such. What you might think of as higher-level file management is no longer part of konqueror, and probably won't ever be again. Dolphin has most of those abilities, and many more besides, but it does do things differently, so you have to be prepared to learn afresh. Some things, such as the file size view get their own application instead of being part of the file manager. I suppose that makes sense, really, since it is a viewer, not a manager.

Konqueror was supposed to remain konqueror, that was promised to us. And for dolphin, it's really hard to get used to it it feels clumsy and unintuitive in many ways, unlike konqueror, which was easy intuitive and very powerful...the best file manager ever made and on top of that a browser too...click and view you can get much simpler and intuitive than that and that was konqueror-kde3 we want that back again in kde4

KDE4 just takes so many more clicks to get things done than 3.5 - that's very frustrating. I tried dolphin but found it ways inferior to konqueror even on KDE4.

samhain wrote:KDE4 just takes so many more clicks to get things done than 3.5 - that's very frustrating. I tried dolphin but found it ways inferior to konqueror even on KDE4.

Can you provide a bit more detail of what exactly needs more clicks? Makes a discussion easier.

e.g.: rename a icon on desktop/folderview: [f2] in KDE 3.5, RMB + select "Rename" on KDE 4.

I'll need to fire up my notebook for a detailed list.