This is going to surprise all but I find Konqueror to be a quicker and better browser than Firefox, I use it as my alternate to my main Opera 10.70 browser.

I would throw in my 2cents that there is no need to replace anything - simply ensure that Konqueror isn't a bundled part of the entire KDE system that it can't live without (such as like what MS did with IE) and then allow people to choose whatever browser they want.

Actually in KDE 4.5 with webkit enabled as default engine, Konqueror is a far quicker and better browser than FF so all is not lost yet.

I prefer firefox to Konqueror just because I have used it longer and openSUSE does a really good implementation of firefox on KDE.

Decided to try Konqueror again just now. I noticed laggy scrolling (even with smooth scrolling turned off - tried with both KHTML and WebKit), and the session manager was extremely bugging (when restoring sessions it kept on making all tabs go to my last visited website). It's things like this that Konqueror really just doesn't cut it.

Back to Firefox, then.

i dunno i loved konqueror(xD avoiding megavideo stupid stuff) but i have to admit some things :

i use rekonq and chromium because are faster they have nice kde integration, for me.

firefox on linux fails sometimes anyway...
fails on ram usage
fails in some pages , i didn't believe it but sometime it fails like konqueror does...

it works with flash but it doesn't works like in windows, sick flash,


-chromium some time gets mad if you leave it with a flash player (for example open a page of youtube ...watch a video wait some hours with chromium opened and then try to play again the video audio goes to hell the same on chromium and other webkit based webbrowser)
-Chromium open that stupid stuff on web browser links stupid popups i hate that.

Moult wrote:I would throw in my 2cents that there is no need to replace anything - simply ensure that Konqueror isn't a bundled part of the entire KDE system that it can't live without (such as like what MS did with IE) and then allow people to choose whatever browser they want.

yes this is the best thing konqueror is usefull sometimes... because it simply doens't work on bad web page so no stupid popups and weird stuff
i loved it i love the idea but it sucks i have to say people can't use 3 web browser to get a nice experience one is what you would have

konqueror integrations + crhomium engine = the best web browser >> firefox !

I use konqueror and only konqueror for everything. After 2 years of usage as default browser i am very satisfy.

Nipas wrote:Konqueror doesn't work well with some pages such as windowslive

please someone tell me since when being fast on windowslive is considered a priority . For me Konqueror is way faster and lighter on 95% of pages, except some places I try to avoid anyway, like myspace. Plus is so much more configurable than firefox. Comments like this make me think that maybe I don't want the userbase to grow...

I prefer Konqueror, because it integrates well with KDE and it has KWallet support (obviously).

With Webkit it's as fast as a modern browser should be, but it doesn't have forms' history support - that's about the only thing missing (in KDE Webkit)

I changed my mind about KDE4 a while ago (from hater to lover) but I have never chaged my mind about KDE3, mostly becasue I still love the old Konqueror. Konqueror was more than a web browser and a file manager. I was a portable Desktop environment. You could open Konqueror in a lightweight window manager like fluxbox, and it would bring all the power of KDE to bear. Konqueror was KDE in a single desktop application. You could do anything in there.

Dolphin does what it does quite beautifully, fitting perfectly into the desktop. It's a team player, now that we have Rekonq, I'd sure like to see someone restore Konqueror to its former glory. In other words, forget about fitting Konqueror into the plan of KDE4, we don't need that anymore. Just go back to making it simple, comprehensive, and awesome. Bring back Kioslave, or something like it, make the filter toolbar case insensitive, and stop forcing me to step over the web browser default to get to the file manager. I used the same fluxbox configuration files for years. The menu option that used to access the storage media in Konqueror now gives me a Google search for "media".

I am using rekonq for a while on my personnal machine.
It is light, fast and work fine with most sites and written in QT.
I feel it much better than Konqueror which had many problems to display site properly and too many features.

Gah, see, you're missing the point. You're not SUPPOSED to use Konqueror for file-management, that's what Dolphin is there for. Dolphin is the, "same application to do the same thing", and that's file management, but when a website e.g. points to an FTP location, it's nice that Konqueror can handle that just fine in the same window - with a somewhat half-decent file-management mode. Hell, with a very well implemented file-management mode.

Yes, there's nothing quite like the freedom of doing what you're supposed to do.

I know that I'm taking your remark out of context, but I've got a big problem with this attitude of "You're not SUPPOSED to use Konqueror for file-management" that clearly leaps out at me whenever I use KDE4. I never feel like file management in Konqueror is forbidden, but the fact that it's so deprecated makes me feel coerced. I like Dolphin for file management better than KDE4, NOT better than KDE3.

Konqueror used to be something I could be passionate about, and it made me more creative. I used to run Konqueror with fluxbox, and I used to edit my menu and keybindings to build my whole desktop around Konqueror. I conducted an interesting experiment with opening applications with html links. It worked great, and I started to imagine applying this special ability of Konqueror in a live CD. And then, things changed. No more Kioslaves, and Konqueror is now rigged so that in order to use it as a file manager, which has clearly been decided that you're not supposed to do, you have to step over the web browser, which is what you're supposed to do. The performance is hesitant. The awesome is gone.

KDE4 is important, and if I Konqueror fanboys have to take the hit for this important milestone, I think we should, but I no longer believe that it has to be that way. As if in an answer to this thread, we now have Rekonq, and Konqueror is not even installed in Kubuntu10.10. Maybe they're thinking about phasing out Konqueror now, but this could be an opportunity to allow Konqueror to develop back into something like its own bad self, independent of any assigned role in the more elaborately planned KDE4 desktop. Konqueror is simply too big to fit into KDE4, at least as you're supposed to use it. I get that, but I think it's also too big to kill.