Konqueror doesn't work well with some pages such as windowslive and is a bit slow. Generally because firefox and chrome are far better and faster than konqueror , I think that something should be done for this
Keep up the good work!

I prefer konqeror even now to firefox. But I can't stand dolphin as a filemanger at all.

+1 for making a new, default browser in KDE. A modded Firefox, like what the OpenSuse team has done, would be close to perfect.

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration

Why? Konqueror is getting better. I use it as my main browser, switched from Firefox.
I admit that Konqueror has it's problems, but Firefox? I would much rather see some other WebKit based browser or even KHTML rewritten from scratch.

I'd rather see KHTML get some love as well... remember that we're talking about a HTML rendering engine written by 4 people in their spare time.

Besides, word is KHTML trunk fixes Google Docs in Konqueror.

Madman wrote:I'd rather see KHTML get some love as well... remember that we're talking about a HTML rendering engine written by 4 people in their spare time.

Besides, word is KHTML trunk fixes Google Docs in Konqueror.

I see absolutely no shame in taking webkit, renaming it BACK to khtlm and continue working from that. The only shame is that khtml was named to webkit

aapgorilla wrote:I see absolutely no shame in taking webkit, renaming it BACK to khtlm and continue working from that. The only shame is that khtml was named to webkit

Let me see if I've understood you correctly... you want to make a fork of a fork of KHTML and keep maintaining that separately?
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Madman wrote:

aapgorilla wrote:I see absolutely no shame in taking webkit, renaming it BACK to khtlm and continue working from that. The only shame is that khtml was named to webkit

Let me see if I've understood you correctly... you want to make a fork of a fork of KHTML and keep maintaining that separately?
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No just take webkit, and name it khtml if you want, webkit still identifies as khtml anyway

How is that different?

I'm currently using chromium and works really great. I prefer it over firefox so my vote is for it or for Arora if you prefer a Qt browser.

Konqueror 4 is out of the game as web and file browser in a nowhere place. From top in KDE 3 to bottom in KDE 4.

I dislike that rather gross generalization... Konqueror has superior file-management and image-/document-viewing capabilities then any web browser out there.

It's not a dedicated file manager, but having a proper file-manager in the same window to change files in before you upload them is excellent. It's also nice to be able to display PDFs right in the window, with an interface that was built for viewing them (as opposed to that **** Adobe embedded thingy in Firefox). I also find that, on my machine, start times of Konqueror and Google Chrome are equal in most-all cases, even when opening a view profile with lots of tabs/split frames in it (another feature not implemented in other web browsers - what would I do without my view profiles?).

Yes, it IS more specialized for web-browsing now, but there are many cases in browsing the web where a HTML renderer isn't the only tool used, and Konqueror makes those cases just so much better to deal with.

Madman wrote:I dislike that rather gross generalization... Konqueror has superior file-management and image-/document-viewing capabilities then any web browser out there.

Certainly but it's not at same level as Konqueror 3. On the other side, I prefer view my documents outside browser so this feature was useless for me even with Konqueror 3. Sadly other integrations that was available in Konqueror 3, like Filelight, was not in Konqueror 4.

Madman wrote:It's not a dedicated file manager, ...

So you need Dolphin to do things that Konqueror can't do, like Nepomuk integration. I prefer use all the time the same application to do the same thing and not use different applications.

Madman wrote:Yes, it IS more specialized for web-browsing now, but there are many cases in browsing the web where a HTML renderer isn't the only tool used, and Konqueror makes those cases just so much better to deal with.

Well, when I have this specialized cases, who knows?, probably I use Konqueror 4, now I am a simple guy doing simple things: google applications, youtube, imdb, reading newspapers and blogs, playing a flash games and Konqueror 4 is not for me and, I imagine, for many normal guys like me.

I explain again because I do not want to be misunderstood. In KDE 3 I only use Konqueror 3 and, very few times, Firefox as alternative, in KDE 4 I try for months use Konqueror 4 for my daily basics but was impossible for bugs and crashes. I change to Dolphin+Arora, a good solution, but finally I fall in love with Chromium and leave Arora.

From my point of view, Arora offers better browser experience than Konqueror because is more compatible with webpages. I'm really sorry for KHTML, I think that its developers, do an impressive job for many years and, without doubt, we must be very grateful but, with Webkit used in Chrome (linux, windows, mac and android) and Safari (mac, windows and iphone), I think is a dead end.

Obviously that is an opinion and I don't try to underestimate KHTML developers, they do a terrific job for years, but they are few and have as opponents Google and Apple. Even David have more chances vs. Goliat.

the largest fail of konqueror is that it cannot open gmail in normal mode. if it could do it, i would use it. meanwhile qtwebkit is slow with flash

No, Konqueror only needs to be improved, especially on the extensions issue.I can't for instance install the Stumbleupon toolbar.

But then Firefox is there for that, so I really don't know.

Ignacio Serantes wrote:

Madman wrote:It's not a dedicated file manager, ...

So you need Dolphin to do things that Konqueror can't do, like Nepomuk integration. I prefer use all the time the same application to do the same thing and not use different applications.

Gah, see, you're missing the point. You're not SUPPOSED to use Konqueror for file-management, that's what Dolphin is there for. Dolphin is the, "same application to do the same thing", and that's file management, but when a website e.g. points to an FTP location, it's nice that Konqueror can handle that just fine in the same window - with a somewhat half-decent file-management mode. Hell, with a very well implemented file-management mode.