Hello,

This is an idea that's been playing with my brain for the past 2-3 days.Actually I searched the net last night to see if there's any integrated IM system for KDE and found none.So I thought to myself why not create a Kmessenger and have it installed instead of that patchwork Kopete? And it will work based on XMPP aka jabber and then KDE users and in general the Linux world won't have to rely on the self-centered Yahoo! and other 3rd party services for the purpose of IM and E-Mail and Online Gaming and the like...you know a complete KDE portal is what's really needed in my opinion, a K Web Environment.

I've been put off with the Yahoo! services not playing nice with GNUX(my way of mentioning both GNU and Linux) systems.For instance the Yahoo! website refuses to open the full site when browsing with Konqueror.Its Email is worse and doesn't let you to view the site in AJAX mode even though Hotmail has got no problem with Konqueror.

Neither of the popular messengers can be installed on GNUX, not even Google Talk.We have to use Kopete and similar incomplete softwares for IM.Note that by incomplete I'm in no way offending the KDE team, it's all the fault of the service providers like Yahoo! who close their doors on us.it's because of them that Kopete can't have for example webcam or voice support or some other features only found in the providers' original software; or if KDE manages to implement such features it'd be hardly on a par with their equivalents in the original software.It's a disgrace for the open community, isn't it?

I mean a dedicated XMPP messenger network wouldn't be that hard to implement if we join forces.After all this is KDE forum and not an MS one.

The most difficult part probably would be an E-Mail service, but it can be done at one the last stages of the KWE development when everything else is going well.

Imagine a connected Web and Desktop made by GNUX users for GNUX users.
Mind you, we're way behind Windows and Mac when it comes to web applications.This is the path of the future you know.

If KDE team did this awesome desktop, I'm sure they/we can do the same awesome job on the web too.

What'd y'all say?

> Mind you, we're way behind Windows and Mac when it comes to web
> applications.This is the path of the future you know.
Maybe. But I can remember the past 3 generations of "web applications" - although they carried a different name. And always sales people told us "thats the future!"

"Web applications" gets on my nerves - Google Docs is a, "Web application", and a very good demonstration of how even the most advanced web applications are inferior to desktop applications like KOffice. Choqok is nicer then the Twitter/Identi.ca home-pages, Kopete is nicer then the browser-based Google Talk/Live Messenger and likewise, KMail is far superior to Hotmail and even, in some respects, to GMail.

If the way of the future is the web browser, then it's a bleak future indeed...

^^ Well I do agree with you for the most part.But web applications wasn't my only point, rather a complete KDE portal for KDE users is what's missing IMO, something to streamline the KDE and GNUX experience across the desktop and the web.

On the other hand, I think the development of web applications is generally easier and faster than their desktop equivalent; web applications can be developed using Java which is both simpler and better supported language compared to C++.

That said, if web applications don't really sound good to you, I think we can then agree that on the desktop we're lacking a coherent software platform.

For instance, we have Kopete/Pidgin which connects you to most popular IM providers though it's feature set is half-arsed compared to such original IM softwares as Yahoo! Messenger.
And we have this IM service called KDE Talk which I don't know exactly what purpose does it serve.
Why don't we just make it a distinct and complete chat service for KDE users and create a Kmessenger or Ktalk based on such service that can be integrated into Kmail and other K apps as well?

Or we can have a Konnect application that would be a central starting point for every web service that KWE has to offer: new mails(mail.KWE.com), new messages(talk.KWE.com > Ktalk), new blog comments(blog.KWE.com) , recent K related news(http://www.KWE.com/news) and everything you know.Those are just a few sample ideas.It would be simply amazing to have KWE. Also KDE userbase can be moved over to users.kwe.com, a whole social network just for KWE-KDE users.

Please tell me what's in the way of doing such a thing? I'm sure launching a complete mail service isn't exactly a piece of cake, but what about other services? I just want to know.

set up apache + ajax and get going. its' not worth the efford, anyway.

By the way, you'll get some problems with the address http://www.kwe.com/ .

And .com is nothing I'd associate with community

^^ why? Windows Live Essentials is proven to be very popular amongst Windows users.

And you still think I'm talking solely 'bout web apps while I mean a combination of both web and desktop apps because as madman said the web applications haven't yet matured enough to be a thorough replacement for desktop software.

Yeah there's another domain with the same name, but that was only an example.And I agree .com isn't the best choice.

> Windows Live Essentials is proven to be very popular amongst Windows users.

You may ask yourself why Linux users use Linux and not Windows ...

^^ Dude, not everything about Windows sucks you know.There are some good ideas on the opposite side too that we can exploit like before.

P.S. Please note that Kopete plug-ins are designed to interact with closed protocols, which is difficult enough to program for anyway. Video support is coming, but don't be surprised if it takes a while.

^^ See, that's exactly what I'm saying; we should have our own chat network instead of relying on 3rd parties.

What's wrong with using a Jabber network?

An own implementation of Jabber is great, but only when it's fully integrated into KDE and K apps; like I said a complete portal.
Having to check your mail through Gmail and talking to your friends on Yahoo! via Kopete and using the Blogger/Live Space for blogging/social networking isn't a great smooth experience IMO.

If you like it, do it. When it's ready for testing, tell us again. I think KDE4 has bigger and more pressing problems to solve ...

Yeah now that's what I've been thinking about.

I'd like to start by writing a distinct chat program that works solely with KDE Talk, but I have two questions:

1.KDE apps are written using C++.
But I only know Java and I'm not even the best at it.I'm still learning it.

2.It has to be considerably better than what Kopete currently does for chatting on Jabber, but how?:/ I mean a simple chat service doesn't work alone.It's got to be part of a bigger plan to actually make a difference you know?

Edit- Bigger problems? Care to explain?

ad 1) there is/was a java Qt-binding, but I don't know its status. Anyway, C++ is easier than Java. PythonQT is an option, too. That would at least be my way if I woudn't want to code in C++.

ad 2) that's the problem. and it is no use to copy something already existing.

> Edit- Bigger problems? Care to explain?
look at the other threads about kde 3.5 users desperatly trying to get some of the old functionality back in kde 4. the famouse encoding bug. the crashing plasmoids. etc. etc. since debian testing swiched to kde4 i am trying to figure out how to continue rollouts with kde desktops. I didnt succeed. i'm forced to roll out gnome/xfce to stay in business.