bazza030 wrote:at first i'd like to say thanks to sayakb for reopening the thread. Closing the thread for criticizing a moderator would have been kinda harsh.

I still agree with Mamarok and support her (and the Amarok team's) viewpoints. The unlocking was done in order to limit the discussion to one thread rather than having pages of "continued" threads.

Why don't you use the KDE Brainstorm section to post your ideas regarding Amarok, so that people can get a chance to vote on your ideas and the Amarok development team can see what the masses feel. But again, it still will be completely their own decision to implement it or not - Brainstorm just gives a stronger impact, nothing else

What a lot of us have been saying for a VERY LONG time now is simple. Amarok 2 is not nearly as usable as 1.4 and the developers don't want to listen. there are major bugs and functionality issues and a lot of us are still using various 1.4 versions that are being kept alive on random repos around the globe. Did any of you pay attention during any HCI stuff you may have read or been lectured on in school.

It would be nice if the amarok team would recognize that so many users are very unhappy and are begging for the Amarok we love to be supported and upgraded...

Sorry but Amarok 2 looks cool, it's just very far behind in usability. or plain old functionality for that matter

update on my last post: column width modification is already implemented, if you try to modify the width of a field in the playlist, the modification affects the complete layout.

so this whole thread was a complete and total waste of time. thanks for sharing though.

@coacharnold:
and what the developers have been saying is that the functionality is either 1.- going to be implemented in some release, or 2.- already implemented within the framework provided by amarok2's design decisions.

We have seen on this thread how a classic gripe of amarok 1.4 fans that was notoriously lacking in amarok 2.0 has produced a lot of controversy, even though IT IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED in the current stable version.

so it is rather obvious why developers (and after a while, participatory users such as myself) start answering to this posts (by people who notoriously _don't_ use amarok 2) with little more than "meh, another nostalgic".

for this particular thread, the issue is now mute as the feature being requested has already been implemented. for some months, actually.

if you have any more comments *on this issue*, welcome. if not, and if you don't intend on being more constructive by, say, pointing out some specific thing that you miss from amarok 1.4, _that hasn't been implemented_ then please refrain yourself.

amarok 2 is not "far behind in usability", unless by usability you mean "exactly the same as amarok 1.4", and it already implements 99.9% of the features in amarok 1.4, while still adding its own.

so pardon me, but i don't really think that any more erroneous (never mind the self-righteous undertone of 'you are arrogant pricks that don't listen to the user base') posts about the issue are really much welcomed.

But

a:'you are arrogant pricks that don't listen to the user base'
----- i never said that and it clear that its true because any criticism of amarok 2 since release has been met with angry moderator response instead of discussion ..... I'm WAY past the point of being constructive .

b' The program doesn't work and its been explained by alot more people than me whats wrong with it .....

lets start with simple things like "device" interface and why it still hasn't been implemented beyond a alpha level point .... ..

we can't use the program until it works .... working is key to usability .... I don't need an on screen player, i need a collection management system which is what made 1.4 a killer app ..... if I wanted a player for my desk I'd use 2 to test and use songbird for everyday use ...

see my previous post. device management is one of the few things that is still in development.

collection management is in par with amarok 1.4. the only thing missing from it, was already missing in 1.4, which is multiple collection support.

next?

oh, and i was talking about the 'you are arrogant pricks' _undertone_ of your message... so yeah, it was my personal impression. feel free to show me wrong. but if you are "beyond the point of constructive criticism", i doubt it.

double edit! yay!
just to be sure: what is it in the device manager that doesn't work? because for me it's working in exaclty the same state that it was in amarok 1.4... (ie, it amanges, but fails to eject properly).

I'm personally in favor of moving this thread somewhere else. The discussion has lost much of its usefulness, and I don't want to look at it constantly. You can discuss it all someplace else, but please not here. We're open to criticism (as has been stated many times), but this here is more like a FUD-fest.

That's all from me, others can decide what to do with it. I personally won't lock or move or otherwise interfere with this thread. The admins can judge this better.

Moved to Discussions & Opinions.

Hi Sebastian,

bazza030 wrote:So in order to prevent a loss of former amarok 1.4 users for the community I think it is time to take a closer look at the current situation.

you are completely right!

I myself had a very similar situation to have a look at the forum and to start with posting. This is my first answer here and shall not be the last posting.

To say that very precisely: Some posts might hurt the developers because they like what they designed and the posts may sound rude. Nevertheless it is necessary to try to understand and accept at least part of negative users feedback. When negative feedback is not sent, it might mean that these users just go away from this application to another one! There should be a way to eliminate the effects. Let us work on that together!

Regards, Martin

Hi Hans,

Hans wrote:

bazza030 wrote:What refrains the amarok developers from responding to the highly requested old-style playlist widget with columns?

Something like this?

Hans wrote:

Great! How do we get this?

Regards, Martin

(screenshot attached)

1.- go to "configure playlist layout"
2.- press "new" to create a new layout
3.- define header for groups if you want grouping, and add fields to Head, Body, Single entries.
4.- go mad creating your perfect layout.
5.-
6.- profit.

note that you can sort with the button at the top left, edit fields of songs and change width of columns from the playlist, without needing to enter the layout config dialog.

Hey Gorgonzola!

gorgonzola wrote:(screenshot attached)

1.- go to "configure playlist layout"
2.- press "new" to create a new layout
3.- define header for groups if you want grouping, and add fields to Head, Body, Single entries.
4.- go mad creating your perfect layout.
5.-
6.- profit.

That's it! Great!

By the way this shows that not only design is important, the description is either! One or more little films shipped with the application might help a lot!

Martin

Hans wrote:

bazza030 wrote:What refrains the amarok developers from responding to the highly requested old-style playlist widget with columns?

Something like this?



(Wtf, who messed with my ID3 tags? Well, that's what can happen when you use the -git version, I guess. )

Well... this is a limitation of the amarok 1.4 interface; in fact with this interface on 2.x you cannot use lyrics, wikipedia and music content; to do so you must enable the big centered window, you cannot do it with this UI

dentaku65 wrote:Well... this is a limitation of the amarok 1.4 interface; in fact with this interface on 2.x you cannot use lyrics, wikipedia and music content; to do so you must enable the big centered window, you cannot do it with this UI

Use tabs for that! One tab for media sources, one for the context view (for example). Just unlock the layout (rightclick somewhere in the toolbar) and drag the views to your wishes.

BelaLugosi wrote:

dentaku65 wrote:Well... this is a limitation of the amarok 1.4 interface; in fact with this interface on 2.x you cannot use lyrics, wikipedia and music content; to do so you must enable the big centered window, you cannot do it with this UI

Use tabs for that! One tab for media sources, one for the context view (for example). Just unlock the layout (rightclick somewhere in the toolbar) and drag the views to your wishes.

Correct! I prefer to put the "content tab" below the playlist and not the collection. In fact this is a very positive option of the new graphical interface of Amarok 2.0!

Regards, Martin:)

Explain to me from the viewpoint of usability how new playlist design is improvement over standard black on white text?

How new sorting is better? e.g. [1-year] [2-artist] [3-album] [4-genre] [5-file name] [6-track number] <-- how do I get rid of [2-artist] without losing 3,4,5,6?

How context [Current Track] [Lyrics] [Wikipedia] are more usable in the bottom, rather than in upper part of the screen?

How more visual noise equals greater usability?