A side note: in konqueror, if you go to menu item [file » open file], the file::open dialog does show the places sidebar, allowing you to click on the removable media in order to mount it.

Riinse wrote:

aapgorilla wrote: I would like a places plugin in the sidebar similar to dolphin,

So you want konqueror to act more like dolphin

No I want konqueror (4) to be more like konqueror (3)

Tried this in mandriva with kde 4.2, and indeed: it can't be done.
Difference between mandriva and opensuse in this case is that opensuse shows a clickable entry in sysinfo for removable media, while mandriva (at least in kde 4.2) doesn't. Mandriva's sysinfo only shows information that removable media has been detected, but does not give any options to mount it.

I hope the suse hack is now upstream in kde 4.4 available for everyone...

Well I can click drives in sysinfo:/ in mandriva in kde4.3.x (and 4.2.x) but not unmounted volumes but this is not a solution either, you actually expect people to know about and type sysinfo:/ in the address bar!?

People can click on the 'my computer' icon on their desktop to open sysinfo:/ with konqueror.
That is how it currently behaves under opensuse.

I also don't see the difference between calling media:/ and sysinfo:/

People can also click on the icon on their panel to mount devices and open them in konqueror.

You can also add an icon to your sidebar pointing to sysinfo:/

i fired up konqueror/kde3, and the above is how this version works: it simply has a button in its sidebar pointing at the url system:/
that one has been replaced by sysinfo:/ and the only thing that needs to be fixed is being able to click on removable media in kde, just like in the opensuse branding of sysinfo:/, and konqueror should have an icon for it in its sidebar by default.

I am SO frustrated having just upgraded to 4.3 from 3.x and I mainly agree with Landis. Why change something when it worked fine to begin with.

If you're saying it was too complicated, then just have a BASIC and ADVANCED option. It took me ages and much Googling to "undumb" konqueror back to 3.5 style system.

And why oh why have you removed some basic functionality/configuration.
- Why can I not drag and drop into the tree any more
- where have my ark actions gone
- If I go into Icon view, is it not obvious that I want preview enabled?
- Why are the icons on the navigation bar SO small

But these are just gripes...

The thing that has really annoyed me about the step up to 4.x is that, as a web developer and graphic designer and a KDE user of nearly 10 years, everything now takes me twice as long to do. Forget performance, that may come back. It's the "dumbing" down of the interfaces, the removal of config options and the shift of emphasis of this release from a system that is supposed to make using the computer faster and easier to one that is full of frills and candy!

Bring back KDE 3!

rwsinter wrote:Why change something when it worked fine to begin with.

Looks more like some items in konqueror got lost during the port to kde4.
I think you should open a new discussion about 'why does konqueror suck in kde4'

- Why can I not drag and drop into the tree any more

still works over here (tried it on opensuse 11.1)

- where have my ark actions gone

you should ask ark, that is the application providing those actions.

you could also try to copy them from your ark/kde3 installation: they are located in one of the servicemenu directories of konqueror/kde3.


- If I go into Icon view, is it not obvious that I want preview enabled?

nope.


- Why are the icons on the navigation bar SO small

They are indeed.
the side bar should be resizable, with its icons resizing with it..

Bring back KDE 3!

it is still out there..
(i still have it on my pc)

I think your trouble with konqueror is mostly caused by the facts some external items, like plugins and actions provided by other applications weren't ported to kde4.

Why not?
Dunno, perhaps they became obsolete or there wasn't anyone available who wants to maintain them.

Keep in mind that most of what you are using on your linux installation is provided to you for free because others are having fun to develop them.
And when people no longer find it fun to continue, or no longer have the spare time, or whatever the reason, they leave the project, orphaning the software they created. Most gets picked up by others, but some doesn't.
One of the major problems with OSS development is finding enough man power to keep the project running.

I also are a kde user for more than 10 years, and during that time i have seen all kinds of kde applications rise and fade, features added and removed, etc. etc.

If you don't like konqueror/kde4, than stick to konqueror/kde3, make bugreports (whichlist type) of whatever you are missing, or pay someone to develop those features for you or stap on the wagon, learn how to program and write/port the features to konqueror/kde4.

Why can I not drag and drop into the tree any more

Try grabbing a directory in the tree and dragging it - you can't on my installation of Suse 11.1
Also, you can't right click and rename or delete anymore!

Keep in mind that most of what you are using on your linux installation is provided to you for free because others are having fun to develop them.

I know this is true, but with KDE3.x you didn't feel that it was a dis-jointed mis-mash of free software. KDE4.x does feel much more like this. It feels so much more a step backwards. I was a **** to have thought that by 4.3 many of the wrinkles would have been ironed out...

Keep KDE 3.x - I would if I didn't rely on keeping up todate with software such as digiKam and RAW converters. Perhaps I should start a campaign for a KDE3 fork???

Check your distro. Some of the functionality that people complain is 'missing' is actually part of a konqueror extras package - I don't recall the exact name, and it will vary between distros anyway.

As for Ark - all the old functionality, and more, is in Dolphin, the default file manager. If you choose not to use it, that's up to you.

annew wrote:As for Ark - all the old functionality, and more, is in Dolphin, the default file manager. If you choose not to use it, that's up to you.

We just want an easy to use filemanager, when it was decided dolphin was to be the new default filemanager for kde (for god only knows what reason) it was promissed that konqueror would not lag behind as a filemanager.

We just want an easy to use filemanager, when it was decided dolphin was to be the new default filemanager for kde (for god only knows what reason) it was promissed that konqueror would not lag behind as a filemanager.[/quote]

Perhaps you'd like to provide a reference for this 'promise'?

Everything is still there, though not without the additional package. And despite your opinion, I wouldn't lose Dolphin for anything. I find konqueror very limited compared to dolphin, now I've learned to use it. We all use what suits us best. After all, choice is one of the great benefits of OSSoftware

http://aseigo.blogspot.com/search/label/konqueror

seriously how can you still call konqueror a file manager when you can even access your harddisks?

I don't have any problem accessing mine. It's time this topic died. Get real! It's not going to happen.

rwsinter wrote:Keep KDE 3.x - I would if I didn't rely on keeping up todate with software such as digiKam and RAW converters. Perhaps I should start a campaign for a KDE3 fork???

you can keep konqueror 3 with kde 4 of use digikam 4 with kde3.

meanwhile, file bug report about the konqueror sidebar.

Dolphin does support drag-n-drop and remaining in its directory tree side bar though...

annew wrote:As for Ark - all the old functionality, and more, is in Dolphin, the default file manager. If you choose not to use it, that's up to you.

it is also in konqueror4 on my system

dolphin and konqueror share its service menus.

aapgorilla wrote:
seriously how can you still call konqueror a file manager when you can even access your harddisks?

blame mandriva

it works fine with opensuse.

Riinse wrote:

aapgorilla wrote:
seriously how can you still call konqueror a file manager when you can even access your harddisks?

blame mandriva

it works fine with opensuse.

What you say works but that's not enough. There should be an easily accessible sidebar tab and it should be able to mount and there shouldn't all this extra junk, just (network)media