I just checked KDE trunk and konqueror has the dolphin places panel now, so it can mount removable devices just fine.

Well
I was fed that garbage and I know with out a doubt if you were too for a long time you wouldn't be happy either. But the fact is its different to here NOW that its because its just not brought back yet. This is what most of were told at the beginning of kde4 too and lots including myself when we first tried it a lot late and the things weren't back. So we asked and were told it won't be fixed use dolphin. then even I submitted to the bugs page and got the wontfix. But some of those have been. So it would be nice if we get the same respect of the conduct you want too. Most of my pressing is because I didn't believe them but it is a bad conduct to us also.
It not just me that want these things brought back either. There is too much proof thats the other parts are getting more attention . I know that we aren't the only ones that are saying rewritten or not these things are getting low priority compared to dolphin and I'm sure if the bugs pages hadn't be mark as wont fix more people would have joined in.
Anyway It nice to hear that they just haven't been done yet But as I said I was getting the replies as wontfix . If you can't understand from that , then I donno how to make it any simpler.

can you point out which bug reports about this issue on bugs.kde.org were marked as wontfix?

one4all wrote:So we asked and were told it won't be fixed use dolphin. then even I submitted to the bugs page and got the wontfix. But some of those have been. So it would be nice if we get the same respect of the conduct you want too. Most of my pressing is because I didn't believe them but it is a bad conduct to us also.

Marking something as "wontfix" is not impolite, it is just part of the reality of software development. On the other hand, cursing people out and accusing them of a conspiracy to suppress your ideas is impolite. I frankly can't imagine how someone could consider the two to be even remotely equivalent.

one4all wrote:There is too much proof thats the other parts are getting more attention . I know that we aren't the only ones that are saying rewritten or not these things are getting low priority compared to dolphin and I'm sure if the bugs pages hadn't be mark as wont fix more people would have joined in.

As I keep saying, lots of people have lots of different ideas about what does and does not deserve attention. The developers can't please everyone. Just because you think something is important does not automatically mean everyone else does. Dolphin is the default file manager for KDE 4. It is going to get more attention than konqueror, end of story. That is what it means to be the default for something, and it is not going to change just because you happen to like konqueror more.

one4all wrote:Anyway It nice to hear that they just haven't been done yet But as I said I was getting the replies as wontfix . If you can't understand from that , then I donno how to make it any simpler.

What hasn't been done? The thing you kept complaining about, the thing you said was so critical, has been implemented.

Blackcat is, unfortunately, correct... which is one of the reasons I am now using Krusader. Dolphin was deliberately chosen because it's simple; which means it will never get the functionality a real file manager ought to have. But the adoption of Dolphin has relegated Konqueror to second-class citizen status, and i doubt that's going to change.

What functionality "that a real file manager ought to have" is dolphin lacking? It seems to have more functionality than the default file manager on any other desktop environment I am aware of.

Either dolphin or konqueror being default in kde didn't hurt the development of krusader.

What konqueror probably needs is a set of dedicated developers that keep its filemanagement on par with the competition. But that is unrelated to wether konqueror is default or not: kde isn't a company that assigns developers to a certain application.

Echoing Black Cat - what functionality is missing in Dolphin? Certainly I find more functionality than konqueror ever had. Some different functionality, but the 'missing features' that I'm aware of are not file manager features, but things that were tacked on, and are better solved by using a separate application, such as filelight

TheBlackCat wrote:What functionality "that a real file manager ought to have" is dolphin lacking? It seems to have more functionality than the default file manager on any other desktop environment I am aware of.

Except for one BlackCat: KDE 3.x. In my opinion there are two file managers in the world worth using: Konqueror and Krusader. Anything less is really just a file browser. And I don't need to give you a feature list; you know as well as I do that Dolphin won't do a tenth of what those two apps are capable of.

I've mostly stayed out of these arguments, but here's my opinion, and I think I can give it in a respectful manner:

A computer is a toolbox, and the applications installed on it are the tools. You have two types of software tools in the world: truly useful ones, and ones designed with noobs in mind. In the Linux world, where most users are pretty computer-savvy people, the latter kind is an insult to the intelligence. We're not just gamers and social networkers; we're serious users that count on our tools to get our work done efficiently. I need the advanced features and integrated functionality that an advanced file manager like Krusader or Konqueror offers. I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea to have a noob-oriented file browsing tool, but it should be the option, not the default. I've waffled back and forth on this but in the end I have to agree with the original poster (although not his tone or attitude): KDE would be far better off if Konqueror became the default once again. Don't get rid of Dolphin, but make it the secondary option instead of the primary. I AM aware that it won't happen; this decision has long since been made. Which is why I've switched to Krusader.

Let me throw that back at you, Annew. We're all aware of what Konqueror can do. I have yet to see a single thing that Dolphin does that Konqueror can't, and I have extensively tried Dolphin. What does Dolphin have that Konqueror doesn't?

For one, the breadcrumbs give me one-click access to anywhere along the path to the current directory. In Konqueror I had to click back (or was it up?) several times to get the same effect. Places has instant access to directories that I specifically need to open quickly and frequently. Classic tree view is available, but I no longer find it useful. The configurability of the Information panel is a huge help - it's not quite perfect yet, but very nearly. Can you configure Konqueror to show certain attributes of a file but not others, according to your specific need? I can in Dolphin. There are lots more things that I didn't appreciate until I used them, but wouldn't be without now. In fact when I work on my server and only have Konqueror available I curse with increasing frequency as features I've become used to are not available.

In the end, you have the choice of several file managers. Choose what you like. Just don't expect the rest of us to be inconvenienced to suit your choice. Dolphin is what it is for good reason, and many of us love it. If you don't, simply change your default file manager and let the rest of us get on with life.

To be honest, I don't like breadcrumbs. Give me a tree any day. What Dolphin is really missing is the tight integration with the other apps and the desktop as a whole that Konqueror has. I like not having to open extra windows to do stuff. I REALLY wish that Konqueror's web browser functionality wasn't lagging so badly.

By the way, how DO you get a tree view in Dolphin?

The problem with breadcrumbs, places and stuff like that is that it's merly usefull if you do not now how your information is structured. The moment you know what you have where, then these things hide information from you. Especially "places" does not cooperate with the console. I know where I place my files and folders, that's why I create them. And I don't like tools that try to be smarter than me and consequently fail on the whole line.

I've about two dozend projects active now, more dormant. How should I get that working with places? The projects interact, they change status from "panik, do something" to "dormant for a year" in a second, and that frequently.

So tell me, is there a faster way using places to add a new project than "mkdir this_is_the_new_project" ?

Thanks, samhain, ya took the words out of my mouth. That's another thing Dolphin doesn't have... an embedded terminal. Lack of an embedded terminal in a file manager is a show-stopper for me; I still do about 70% of my file management in command-line.