Before I complain too much, How long have the rest of you been using Dolphin or computers for that matter?
Who's 'Decision' was it to make Dolphin the 'default' 'file manager' for KDE?
What in your twisted little world makes you think Anyone would want Dolphin over Konqueror?
How far along is Dolphin?
Is it just an idea at this point?
Is there a place to put in my 2 cents?
These are things I'd like to know,
Because, the way I've been seeing it, Dolphin is Nothing!
Not a viewer, not a file manager, nothing.
Well maybe a file 'Browser' and that is it. It can't even 'preview' simple png files (icons).

In my world it's not even an alpha anything..
It looks and feels like some cheap saturday morning B class cartoon on some B rated cable channel.

No bookmarks, drag 'n drop still sncks, back Does NOT go back once you go to a remote (network) drive, no back drop down, no full path, now location bar to type in or see a location, Preview Su(ks - can't even view it's own icon.png file, look is too 'candy land' (looks like some kids mpeg player-skin, no 'go' menu, 'places' snck - if there is a way to create links to network directories below a folder it is hidden and far to hard for anyone other than the programmer who wrote the thing to use, folder view does not scroll horizontally, Everything is either missing or too hard to find or deal with...

Still can't figure out How openSuSE elected to make this Alpha app the "Default" file manager... Manage what???? This is a perfect example of the world today, 'there are no losers", "just winners", 'everyone get a trophy'.. Blah, blah, blah. Touchy feely ****! This is currently a Loser! 'default'? 'Manager'? What?

Konqueror Worked and Worked Very Well.. Why retire it? Before a suitable replacement? What, again what are you thinking? openSuSE may be opensource, but it is meant to branch into SuSE and is targeted to the business world, professionals and not inexperienced junior high, attention deficit kids.

I can only **** and complain, hopefully offer someone a 'few' good suggestions from a all day, everyday users point of view. I'm Not a 'real' coder.. Wish I was, but I'm not, I write php, html and css not real code. I know networks, big ones, not code. I only have ideas and know if things work or not, then someone else writes the code... Sorry.

I hope people, the real programmers, don't take mine and others criticism as thou we are saying 'your baby is ugly'. I wouldn't want you to become so defensive that you miss the point and refuse to see 'your baby' how others see it.. Not ready for prime (default) time.

pew, I don't know about you, but I feel better.. Well until the guilt of writing this so the whole world can see it, sets in... then yuck. oh well.

No offense intended, but...
again, I couldn't write it, at all, wish i could.
Landis.

p.s., keep up the 'good' work, don't let me discourage you.. Ever! It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't already have konqueror. Why replace something that works with something that does not... We don't need another 'web browser'... Yeh, that's what I've been told, konqueror is slated to be 'just' a browser.. Why. opensource,,,, firefox,,,, again, why? konqueror works, Dolphin doesn't, well not good enough.

tl;dr
Dolphin is quite "powerful" file manager....
You can set preview of png, jpg and even text in Dolphin settings.

But I must say that Konqueror is now (KDE4.4 SC RC1) more powerful than Dolphin, even though it uses Dolphin kpart for actual file management. That's why Dolphin is here to stay and can't be removed (you'll just have to deal with it).
But Konqueror has some really powerful stuff...
Like file size view and integrated viewers for almost every file from pictures (Gwenview kpart), text (kate kpart), movies (dragon kpart), zip and rar (ark kpart)...

Landis wrote:Before I complain too much, How long have the rest of you been using Dolphin or computers for that matter?

Since 1983. I don't find that many problems with Dolphin.

Who's 'Decision' was it to make Dolphin the 'default' 'file manager' for KDE?
What in your twisted little world makes you think Anyone would want Dolphin over Konqueror?

It was a discussed and approved decision, not a top-down one. And I'll add writing remarks like "twisted little world" are not the best way to make a point in the discussion.

Well maybe a file 'Browser' and that is it. It can't even 'preview' simple png files (icons).

Cannot reproduce. It works fine for me with every PNG I threw at it, even large ones. Did you consider reporting a bug?

It looks and feels like some cheap saturday morning B class cartoon on some B rated cable channel.

*sigh* I have already stated it in previous posts. You have to abide by the Code of Conduct: this is a mandatory requirement for posting here. Venting your frustration goes in the opposite direction, I'd say.

I can only **** and complain, hopefully offer someone a 'few' good suggestions from a all day, everyday users point of view. I'm Not a 'real' coder..

Actually complaining is the worst. It does not help anyone, neither the user nor the developer. And no, you don't need to code to be able to help (all my smallish contributions to KDE are non-coding).

I hope people, the real programmers, don't take mine and others criticism as thou we are saying 'your baby is ugly'. I wouldn't want you to become so defensive that you miss the point and refuse to see 'your baby' how others see it.. Not ready for prime (default) time.

It's hard to take it for anything else because it's incoherent, unconstructive, and will ultimately anger/displease the developers.

I've seen a few posts like this lately. I will give a few points of advice: let the steam go off, read the Code of Conduct and the rules. You can make your point much better without being flaming or ranting.

Jesus H. Christ, Landis; you've got a hard-on or what?
If you don't like dolphin - simple solution: DO NOT USE IT.

You're complaining about things that DO work. If your retarded **** cannot find particular configuration or feature, doesn't mean that the app sucks. If you so hate new way of KDE why using it?? And most important: why you making this elaborations here? Your posts are nothing more than just little baby complaints of how world is bad for you. Demanding something "because I'm me, and I'm the best" without constructive point of view and arguments, and with usage of bad words, full of cynic sentences drives to nowhere. It's nothing more than trolling.

So, what I want to say is: DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

@zakonnik and landis:

Feel free to disagree and discuss but please keep your tone low.

Who's 'Decision' was it to make Dolphin the 'default' 'file manager' for KDE?

It is decided by the kde community.
Konqueror was considered too complicated and too cluttered for the average user and there were plans to seperate the filemanagement and webbrowsing.

How far along is Dolphin?

Dolphin was developed during kde 3.5 and considered to be a better option for default filemanagement than splitting up konqueror. So Dolphin is actually your savior, if prevented that Konqueror got very major changes.

It can't even 'preview' simple png files (icons).

AFAIK dolphin uses the same kparts for file preview as konqueror does (and the file dialogs in kde).

drag 'n drop still sncks,

in what way?

back Does NOT go back once you go to a remote (network) drive

you could file a bug report fot that.

no back drop down

but it does show a bread crumb bar above the file view.

no full path, now location bar to type in or see a location

you can switch between bread crumb view and location input bar by clicking on the gray space to the right of the bread crumb, or select the corresponding entry in the view menu or when you right click on the bread crumb.

folder view does not scroll horizontally

but it slides when you click a directory with sub directories out of the view..

Everything is either missing or too hard to find or deal with...

or you haven't got used to it.
I had to get used to dolphin at the beginning, but now i'm using it more often than konqueror.

Still can't figure out How openSuSE elected to make this Alpha app the "Default" file manager

well, opensuse didn't, kde did.
But defaults aren't hard coded: you can always switch to konqueror in stead.
Just switch file management to dolphin in the control module 'default applications' in system settings.

Konqueror Worked and Worked Very Well.. Why retire it?

Konqueror didn't retire. It is still part of kde, and will be part for a long time.
it's just not the default.
Dolphin is meant for the average user, konqueror for more experienced/demanding users.
You are missing all kinds of features in dolphin, so you belong to the latter group.


So to wrap it up: just forget about dolphin and set konqueror as default in your kde installation.

@landis
As you are very new to KDE4 (and I would extend this advice to anyone new to any piece of software), it would do you good to spend some time (a couple of days) exploring the new and noteworthy of KDE4. It will be beneficial to expect to change some of your ingrained habits and expectations because the design and work flow are different between KDE3 and KDE4. Similarly take some time to explore Dolphin. It is a fine piece of work designed to be a dedicated file manager (and not a do-everything file manager/previewer/web browser/development environment/etc. like Konqueror was designed to be and still is) comparable to other file managers like Gnome's Nautilus, XFCE's Thunar, Windows Explorer, etc. It is different from Konqueror so you will need to take some time to explore it first to get used to how it feels, how to get it to do what you want.
After you have found yourself familiar with how it currently works you can then look for things that you wish to improve and post your requests here and we will gladly respond to your positive, informed posts.

I always use dolphin for files management. I enjoy it :

There is no need to drop one in favour of the other; they meet different needs and both are being developed side by side; the KDE Community is big enough to cope with both.

To be honest I switch between the two - if I am browsing I use konqueror (with the excellent split view). But if I've just logged in and need to do some tidying up, then dolphin gets a run.
Then again if I'm compiling, then its good old 'cd'

I must admit I prefer konqueror (I think I'd drop KDE if it was no longer developed), but I understand both have their place, and I hope they both develop alongside each other within KDE - it would be a shame to lose either.

zakonnik wrote:Jesus H. Christ, Landis; you've got a hard-on or what?
If you don't like dolphin - simple solution: DO NOT USE IT.

I would like to not use dolphin but instead have a kde4 version of kde3-konqueror but unfortunately there isn't a kde4 version of the kde3-konqueror available so we have to make due with dolphin. Dolphin, it' sclumsy, not as intuitive, not as easy to use and not as powerful as kde3-konqueror but still better than kde4-konqueror which just feels like a a crippled file manager



to finish of positively please add media:/ or places support to konqueror so us non tech savvy crowd can finally ditch dolphin and start using an easy to use file manager again.

aapgorilla wrote:to finish of positively please add media:/ or places support to konqueror so us non tech savvy crowd can finally ditch dolphin and start using an easy to use file manager again.

media:/ is not coming back. The reason is that it causes a load of trouble for applications that aren't native to KDE and try to access it. It was a cause of major headaches for the time it was alive. It was dropped by the developers after discussion.

Well not having it causes a major headache for us users, it makes konqueror useless for filebrowsing, so out of poverty we are forced to use dolphin

And what I do not understand, why places like dolphin has cannot be used by konqueror

@aapgorilla
It's just the way choose by kde devs. All we can do is affect the dev to drop it; or use different file managers. AFAIK they won't drop dolphin, so we don't have a point in arguing. Anyway IMHO dolphin will get all the features and functionality that konqueror has.

aapgorilla wrote:Well not having it causes a major headache for us users, it makes konqueror useless for filebrowsing, so out of poverty we are forced to use dolphin

And what I do not understand, why places like dolphin has cannot be used by konqueror

Point 1: Why the absence of "media:/" makes Konqueror useless? I never used it in the 3.5.x and I had no issues;
Point 2: Probably because no one has got around to write that yet.