A user here made a very good point :

There is another point actually, which makes kde seem slow, doing many common chores seems to take a lot more clicking and moving the mouse around tthan kde3 and other current desktops; dare I say it but plasma is a clumsy user interface. (try to add an item to the panel or move an item, this takes a lot of clicks and movement but was very easy and quick in kde3 and is quick and easy in gnome). The kickoff menu also requires a lot of clicking to find a menu item (lancelot is a lot better in that respect but still is quite slow and heavy by itself). In the olden days clicking a file in the filemanager just did what you wanted to do with it, now with dolphin you need to open a new application (wait) and then switch to it (more movement and more confusion). Also in the olden days when you wanted to accesss an external device the icon was just there in the desktop. Now you need to navigate to some icon, click it and select you device from a list, this is also a lot more work, let alone that is is very confusing for newbies)

Do you agree? What is your opinion?

Well I think so

Using the spaces panel in Dolphin is quick to mount and select drives. I think much of the extra clicks from me just randomly clicking to find where to change something. Maybe that's just me since I'm not too swift with KDE4.

You can use KMouseTool and set it to auto-click. Then clicking will be a thing of a past!
I did use this for some time, but after few hours I started to hate it....

fbt wrote:I think much of the extra clicks from me just randomly clicking to find where to change something. Maybe that's just me since I'm not too swift with KDE4.

No in the same thread as where prince got my quote from I also give some examples of stuff which are just clumsily designed in kde4 and take a lot more mouse movement/clicking vs kde3:

aapgorilla wrote:well just try to move an icon in the panel: unlock desktop, click thingy in panel, move icon, click X to close toolbox, lock desktop again, just to move an icon, compare this to kde3, right click icon move, done....

kick off menu look for app: click button, navigate to applications tab, click applications tab, click menu category, click back button repeat until found (this can be many categories) compared to clasic style menu, click button, hover categories until found

watch directory with pictures, open dir click picture now gwenview needs to launch and you can watch the pictures, to see another dir close gwenview and repeat process, in kde3 just enter directory and voila you can watch them

access removable media: kde4 click device manager, scroll to list of devices click device; kde3: click icon

add application to panel, kde4: navigate to panel, navigate to icon (this can be hard see above), drag icon to far right of panel (why only there!?), then move icon (this can be hard too see above); kde3 click panel, select app from popup menu done...

It's definitly way to clicky - sounds like a marble run when working on KDE4

prince wrote:Do you agree? What is your opinion?

Well:

try to add an item to the panel or move an item, this takes a lot of clicks

adding an item is not much different compared to kicker: just drag the item to the position you want to place it. you can drag from kickoff, the desktop or from the filemanager. You can even drag urls from konqueror to the panel, just drag the favicon of the site you want to put on the panel.

placing widgets is another matter, you indeed need to click a few times.
but afaik not more than it was with kicker, which also needed clicking through its context menu to add something.

as for dragging: this is a little more work, as you first need to activate the cashew in order to do so.
dragging is not something you do on a daily base, and accidental changing of the panel by novice users is avoided by adding this extra step

The kickoff menu also requires a lot of clicking to find a menu item

agreed, although i'm more used to it, as opensuse used kickoff as default in kde3 too.
But you can still go to the old way startmenu, rightclick on the kickoff icon and choose the classical style.

i myself always use Alt F2 for starting applications, or the search option in kickoff.


In the olden days clicking a file in the filemanager just did what you wanted to do with it

Depends on what you wanted to do with it.
Again, for novice users it was confusing that for example configuration files were opened readonly in the konqueror window, in stead of in kwrite.
afaik that is the reason why dolphin opens files in the associated applications, in stead of inline.

Also in the olden days when you wanted to accesss an external device the icon was just there in the desktop. Now you need to navigate to some icon, click it and select you device from a list, this is also a lot more work, let alone that is is very confusing for newbies)

you can get a similar result by adding the device notification to your desktop, in stead of the panel.

the device notification however is quite large in its minimal state, so i would be a nice idea if someone would build a more customizable widget for the desktop.

Riinse wrote:adding an item is not much different compared to kicker: just drag the item to the position you want to place it.

I can only add next to the cashew in the panel, no other place allows dropping....

placing widgets is another matter, you indeed need to click a few times.
but afaik not more than it was with kicker, which also needed clicking through its context menu to add something.

Yes but the context menu appeared next to your pointer, now you must actually move to the edge of the screen

dragging is not something you do on a daily base, and accidental changing of the panel by novice users is avoided by adding this extra step

Maybe it's my hobby to rearrange my panel the every day...well even if it's not the silly interfaces annoys me.

But you can still go to the old way startmenu, rightclick on the kickoff icon and choose the classical style.

i myself always use Alt F2 for starting applications, or the search option in kickoff.

remembering key combi and launching apps by typing is so 1982

Depends on what you wanted to do with it.
Again, for novice users it was confusing that for example configuration files were opened readonly in the konqueror window, in stead of in kwrite.

Confusing!? Who ever said that it was *the* best feature of konqueror, how easy do you want it, click work, no window switching it just works...for years konqueror was considered the top file browser, or F/OSS app because of this. Dolphin actually adds another layer and thus confusion.


afaik that is the reason why dolphin opens files in the associated applications, in stead of inline.

you can get a similar result by adding the device notification to your desktop, in stead of the panel.

the device notification however is quite large in its minimal state, so i would be a nice idea if someone would build a more customizable widget for the desktop.

I now, but it just is too big, too much in the way, the method is just too unelegant...

remembering key combi and launching apps by typing is so 1982

i actually fell in love with it when i switched to linux.
using commands can be so much faster than navigating with the mouse through endless menu's.

i also use the favorite of kickoff a lot, it contains all the apps that i use most often.
launching them only involves 2 clicks...

it was *the* best feature of konqueror, how easy do you want it, click work, no window switching it just works.

Well, it does with konqueror4
(just tried it).

but in previous versions, you needed to choose [edit] in the menu to make it editable (and then it got opened in kwrite).

To summorize, konqueror still rocks, it just needs some love on its side bars and media mounting.

aapgorilla wrote:

fbt wrote:I think much of the extra clicks from me just randomly clicking to find where to change something. Maybe that's just me since I'm not too swift with KDE4.

No in the same thread as where prince got my quote from I also give some examples of stuff which are just clumsily designed in kde4 and take a lot more mouse movement/clicking vs kde3:

Now that I've got KDE4 setup like I want I don't add icons to the panel, I don't use qwenview, and I can access removable media from the Places panel in Dolphin, which is fine by me as I work from the file manager. It's not that I disagree with you, but the way I work with my computer I don't have that much more clicking