extending my sincere gratitude to ALL KDE DEVELOPERS

shebroman wrote:extending my sincere gratitude to ALL KDE DEVELOPERS

Me too... There might be some very loud people ranting all the time, but there are a LOT of us out there who are very happy with what KDE has to offer.
Besides, it's so common for this rants to come from people who obviously didn't even try to understand what they were using...

Anyway, GO KDE, you rock!

JanKusanagi wrote:

shebroman wrote:extending my sincere gratitude to ALL KDE DEVELOPERS

Me too... There might be some very loud people ranting all the time, but there are a LOT of us out there who are very happy with what KDE has to offer.
Besides, it's so common for this rants to come from people who obviously didn't even try to understand what they were using...

Anyway, GO KDE, you rock!

Yep,
KDE is fantastic,
and you still can chose what you want: own style, old KDE3 style, other styles..
e.g. http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,77904.msg642265.html#msg642265
=> someone who tried a little bit to make KDE4 look KDE3

I will try not to rant, but this is the reason why I'm leaving KDE (or find a Debian repo with KDE3).

Yesterday I installed KDE 4.5 to find that everything went slow. The main reason for this is the blur-plug-in which don't play well with Nvidia-cards. Reading on Nvidia forum, it seems (I could be wrong) that KDE is blaming Nvidia and Nvidia is blaming KDE, so the problem will most likely not be solved. To have the blur-plug-in on as standard is not smart, but perhaps this is the distro, in this case Arch (my main distro is Debian), that decide what should be on or off as standard.

Desktop-effects overall is bad in KDE with Nvidia-card. I was kind of hoping it would be resolved some day, but i getting tired of waiting.

Another thing is theming for KDE4. I have "ported" a lot of themes from Windowblinds to KDE3. You can see some of the themes i "ported" here: http://kde-look.org/usermanager/search. ... n=contents
Doing the same themes for KDE4 is way above my limit's, as it uses svg-images and I would have to learn Inkscape or Karbon (I tried to use those programs, but as soon as i open them I felt like a jackass. I didn't understand anything )

So you have to use the same look, or use the few available plasma-themes on kde-look, but they all almost looks the same as they seems to be build on the theme Air (due to the fact that is so difficult to make themes for KDE4).

There are more things I don't like with KDE4, but as I am a slow writer, it would take forever to write it all.

After 7 years with KDE, I'm sorry to say goodbye!

Several things:

1. If you are having problems with KDE compositing, why can't you just use compiz? That would be no different than on another DE where you would most likely also be using compiz.

2. The fact that the same implementation works fine on both intel and ati cards indicates nvidia is to blame. Either KDE, intel, and ATI (and mozilla, for that matter) are all doing something wrong, or nvidia is doing something wrong.

3. I don't think plasma themes all look remotely similar. There are many very different designs, although there are limits as you how different you can make it and still be usable.

4. It is difficult for you to make plasma themes, but just because it is difficult for you does not necessarily mean it is difficult for others. I should add that if we didn't use svgs we would not be able to arbitrarily resize and rescale plasma widgets. They would have to be a fixed size like they are in many other widget systems.

5. Although it doesn't work for the panel widgets, you can use superkaramba desktop widgets natively in KDE 4.

6. Did you try making window themes in dekorator? It supports using pngs. There is also a project underway to make emerald themes work natively in KDE, since emerald, if I understand correctly, is effectively unmaintained now.

1. I did try Compiz but I had some problems with it. The Plasma-bar became non transparent and gray-scaled for some reason I never figured out. Now days I don't have the patience I once had, so I didn't solved it.

2. I don't know who's to blame, but if neither part fix it, the problem will persist and will not help Nvidia-card owners.

3. Most of the plasma-themes looks nice, but I think they do look the same, but that is of course my opinion.

4. You are right, is does not necessarily mean it is difficult for others. I'm just thinking... if it was more easy to make themes, there would be more themes. A tool would be nice, to help make themes.

6. Don't know if you clicked on the link I gave in my first post, but there are a Dekorator-theme i made. I have also tested emerald in KDE4 and it was working well, but a window decorator is just a small part of a theme. If I make a theme they will be complete.

Personally, I never experienced any problems with NVIDIA-cards in the past, and now with KDE 4.5 on PCLinuxOS neither......
So, I wouldn't say for all Nvidia-card owners (there are enough cards I think that DOES work)

Only a pity it doesn't work for you at the moment

rubentje1991 wrote:Personally, I never experienced any problems with NVIDIA-cards in the past, and now with KDE 4.5 on PCLinuxOS neither......
So, I wouldn't say for all Nvidia-card owners (there are enough cards I think that DOES work)

Only a pity it doesn't work for you at the moment

One would think that a 250 GTS 1024 mb ram would do the trick. Resizing windows is really slow, but everything is relative...

Eazy wrote:One would think that a 250 GTS 1024 mb ram would do the trick. Resizing windows is really slow, but everything is relative...

one would think that that's over kill - I've a 9500gt w/512mb and kwin works pretty well for me (I don't do blur as it uses too much cpu, but works fine)

What drivers are you using? I'm using 256.35 (but there are 38's and a 44 series 256 available).

What about your setting in the advanced tab for "configure desktop effects"? have you tried reverting to the defaults?

I use Nvidia GeForce G210M with 256MB GDDR3 memory....
=> I can use many effects (I only don't use the windows-resize effect - doesn't look good)
: but blur, wobbling windows, kube, minimize effect, shadows, transparency, and so on.....

I use the nvidia driver 256.35 (according to Nvidia Display Settings apps)

TheBlackCat wrote:
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2. The fact that the same implementation works fine on both intel and ati cards indicates nvidia is to blame. Either KDE, intel, and ATI (and mozilla, for that matter) are all doing something wrong, or nvidia is doing something wrong.

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Not exactly true. There are enough Intel-related issues that 4.5 is being held back in [testing] in Arch.

It doesn't work that way. KDE3 was a nice family van. KDE4 is a 2-seated hotrod. What's wrong about a hotrod? Probably nothing, exept I cannot bring my furniture home from IKEA.

Does it have 4 wheels? :Both do.
Does it have seats? :Yep.
And does it have a motor? :Sure.
Isn't the htrod the saxiest thing you've ever seen? :Admitted ...
So tell me exactly, what's wrong with it? :I cannot move stuff around.
Sure you can! And you can do it faster than before! :No, I can't.
You can, just describe your problem and we'll help! :I already did ...
No, you didn't! : ....

And so on it goes ...

EDIT: where's the posting gone, that I refer to?

"taking my family with me" would have been enough, transporting furnitures from IKEA is not really a day-to-day use case (apart from some girls i know...)

But to keep up with your example, it is about specialisation. I would never try to transport furniture with a hotrod. Though i also would never take part in a race with a van. There is no perfect car that does everything in one.

And to come back to desktop environments, modern ones of course try to fullfill as much needs as possible. It doesn't necessarily work out 100%, by none of those.
The good thing is the choice we have. Some environments fit our needs better than the one we currently use.

And some people even have more than one car, one to make races, one for transportation, and one that is big enough to have a nice party in there while they get driven.

@samhain:

The post you referred to was deleted due to spam links. It just repeated another post and put a spam link into the sig.

samhain wrote:EDIT: where's the posting gone, that I refer to?

Well, looks like you have been replying to a spambot that was posting copies of older posts in this and other threads. I banned that account.

PS. Links in the signature pointing to cheap sales sites is a giveaway when identifying spambots.

Edit: Looks like neverendingo already answered.