onety-three wrote:In this special case I wouldn't put my hopes too high, though - the guy who tries to initiate this "Elegance" effort is also the father of the cashews (or very close to him).

I know, that's why I couldn't resist pointing it out.

btw I just got a new computer with win7, now that's elegant compared to kde4.5 which feels really clunky and unelegant...

If this [1] can be even considered as elegant, I'm happy to use a clunky and totally inelegant KDE SC that looks like this [2]


[1] http://keemanxp.com/blog/wp-content/upl ... esktop.jpg
[2] http://white-dawn.deviantart.com/art/KD ... -171159910

Kde4 always looked well on screenshots but in usage win7 beats kde4 hands down: one word jumplists.

I'm not touching that topic with a 10ft pole... at least in a thread that is not meant for it...

well I am just pointing to an example for inspiration. win7 is a good source of inspiration for an elegant os

I've split this part of the discussion into a new thread.

Win7 is not a good example for Elegance, as it is about small fractions of KDE and how to improve them, one after the other.
As an example what is meant and how it can work see this blog entry:
http://majewsky.wordpress.com/2010/07/1 ... -elegance/
Not the entirity, but only details that could need some love

win7 elegant? I have had the great misfortune of working on this beast. I find it removes one to such a degree from what is under the hood that it is totally unmanageable.

Pretty? No.
Elegant? No.
Usable? No.

But alas, things like elegance, taste and what have you are always subject to personal preferences and I find win7 a great example of how not to do something on all fronts.

My 2cs

I sold my old laptop to my gf, I had her working with linux for almost 3 years. I restored it to factory conditions for her and she was so relieved shoe could work with windows again. I think this is telling. (I started out with kde3, she actually sort of liked it than kde4 but it was unusable so I installed gnome for her to keep her using nix and she found it (just barely) tolerable).

I think this says enough...after 3 years she still longed for windows

anyway I think elegance is in ease of use and not everything in nix and especially kde is the fault of unsupported hardware but also in design

> I think this says enough...after 3 years she still longed for windows

Trust me, it's not saying anything about *nix systems at all. It says about your girlfriend and only her.

I have a lot of counter-examples of the people who tried to use Win after using *nixes and felt like they have "one hand always tied to a brick". (and this sentence came from a total non-geek)

I guess it depends on what you want to do, watch movies surf the internet and nix is fine, try to sync an ipod and it's a real pain to do in gnome with rhythmbox (and impossible in kde)

edit some more examples of windows elegance vs linux inelegance: she plugs in het usb sound card, in windows sound is immediately transferred from the internal speakers to the soundcard, in nix in both kde and gnome I have to go through some options to enable it (this is actually a pulse bug or rather feature as a program will always revert to the last sound device used for that program)

Ah, the trap of closed source. Sorry mate, no can do. But that has hardly to do with elegance.

I have a Bluetooth headset which I use and the sound is automatically redirected as soon as it connects to my computer.... using Pulseaudio. Even Flash is redirected. My MTP based Philips player works fine with Linux too..

Like I said the sound is redirected but not the controls, they controlling the first until you manually change it

None of this really has anything to do with elegance.