@skaiuoquer, I'm not sure what spurred you to write all that, but I think you should use those strong opinions to help make KDE better. If you took the time to list out all of the specific things you dislike with some ideas for how to fix them, like I did, I'm sure people would welcome the feedback. There's still a lot of room for improvement in KDE 4 and the devs need feedback from users of all flavors, even (especially?) us GNOME guys, to make it better.

as a long time Linux user, i did not find it either useful or helpful to claim that one DE is better then the other, for me personally all the mainstream linux desktop are mature enough and easy to use whether it is gnome, kde or xfce ( put your favorite DE) here, so please use what you want as long as it is always linux beneath.

now for the application side, i use kde app, qt app (opera, virtual box), gnome app ( gnome-ppp, OpenOffice, Firefox), yes the integration is not perfect, but it has come a long way( thanks for kde4-gtk-qt-engine Dev), and there is a lot of thing to improve in that direction, developers from both side are aware, but this is one of the challenge of working in a distributed manner.

a normal Joe should not care about the framework used by his favorite application, my ms windows friend never complained to me that Firefox is using gtk or opera use qt, i have to say although as long as the app are well integrated they don't care ( they use the native windows dialogue box after all).

and distribution are not really helping in that direction, why for God sake, not shipping amarok for gnome distribution, or xchat for kde4 base distro.

so i really hope instead to hear from the experience of an ex-ms windows and in a less extend mac user, and how he found linux.

update: turns out that Firefox and OpenOffice are not really a gtk-app.

skaiuoquer wrote:Wow .. I'm amazed at how fanboys will overlook so much just for the sake of competition.

Kate vs GEdit ... GNOME = GNU Object Model Environment; Kate is an "advanced text editor", a programmer's swiss knife if you will.

GNU already has an advanced text editor, and it kicks the living daylights out of kate. (As much as I love Kate and used it quite a lot myself.)

I guess you are referring to Emacs? Last time I checked, Emacs runs just fine on KDE. Yes, both GNOME and Emacs are GNU-projects. But in reality that doesn't mean much. Both are GNU, but Emacs is not GNOME.

KDE tries to be everything. GNOME is what it is.

I removed most of your comment related to this. Why? Because it makes no sense at all.

GNOME, following GNU's design guidelines, accepts the nature of a POSIX OS and just keeps to what users will need most of the time, requiring use of the terminal for most deep-layer configuration, and, as a result, IMHO, creates users more comfortable with interacting with a command line.

So what is Gconf about then?

Seriously, your comment is utterly pointless. It's not even valid as a critique, since it's so pointless and vague. Your comment regarding GNU and Gnome demonstrate the pointlessness of your post.

the default theme of gnome showed me an ugly face.and i cannot bear its extream low speed.so,i use kde 3.59 instead of gnome.then update to kde4.1

I very much appreciated your review, 1cewolf! I wonder how do you see it now, taking a look at KDE 4.4?

To the OP, 1cewolf, may I suggest submitting some of your findings to the KDE brainstorm?