CraigPaleo wrote:There is a "go" button. It looks like an enter key but I imagine it would be easy enough to change.

Are we talking about the same thing? Kubuntu brought back the GO button when it switched over to KDE4 with Insipid Ibex Previous to that, with KDE3, I've always been pretty sure there was no GO button in Konqueror. Back then, you had the option of installing Ubuntu, and then apt-getting a vanilla KDE desktop, which had all the accustomed buttons. That's what I used to do.

blackbelt_jones wrote:

CraigPaleo wrote:There is a "go" button. It looks like an enter key but I imagine it would be easy enough to change.

Are we talking about the same thing? Kubuntu brought back the GO button when it switched over to KDE4 with Insipid Ibex Previous to that, with KDE3, I've always been pretty sure there was no GO button in Konqueror. Back then, you had the option of installing Ubuntu, and then apt-getting a vanilla KDE desktop, which had all the accustomed buttons. That's what I used to do.

I never used KDE 3 under Kubuntu so it probably wasn't there then. The Screenshot I posted was of the latest Kubuntu-based Trinity. That's the button, right? I guess Pearson decided to bring it back.

Visual artifacts such as tearing, corrupt images, etc are usually the fault of the graphics stack, rather than KDE itself. Your graphics driver is causing this.

Under no other desktop there are any such artifacts.

The theming issue is not a lack of customisation, but simply a lack of pre-build customisations which suit your taste.

Lack of appropriate Qt4 styles. But the most disappointing is that even if you find an appropriate style, the panel, plasma, menu still will look alien.

Anixx wrote:Under no other desktop there are any such artifacts.

That's because few toolkits tested the graphic stack as much as KDE. I expect a similar thing to happen when Gnome-Shell is released.

sylvainsjc wrote:

Anixx wrote:

bcooksley wrote:In what aspects does KDE 4 not allow you to customise it's appearance?

- No good Qt4 themes
- No good icon themes
- No possibility to make plasma to have the same style as Qt4 controls
- No possibility to remove cashew
- No possibility to have "storage media" icon on desktop.
- Huge visual artifacts

Sure you're talking about KDE 4.0.0.0.0.0 and you haven't certainly not used some latest Kde distribution more than five minutes

I see your screenshot, but I see none of the issues I mentioned addressed. I see the standard style Oxygen, I see a terrible icon theme, which is the Oxygen icons with Christmas hat added and changed color (I hate Oxygen icons), I see the panel having completely different style from Qt4 controls, I see the cashew in the corner, I see no "storage media" on the desktop. And also I see the functionally-stumped Dolphin with spatial mode removed.

Only possibly the graphical artifacts is what not visible here (but definitely appears during the work). Thank you for a good illustration to all my statements.

KDE 4 supports at least as much customization in its appearance as KDE 3, I would say far more thanks to the several additional scripted window decorations and widget styles.

Just look at the list you provided in support of your claim:

- No good Qt4 themes
- No good icon themes
- No possibility to make plasma to have the same style as Qt4 controls
- No possibility to remove cashew
- No possibility to have "storage media" icon on desktop.
- Huge visual artifacts

Only one of those, the third one, is actually about how much KDE's appearance can be customized. The first two are whether you like the customization, not whether it exists, and considering there are more options for this available for KDE 4 than there were for KDE 3, it actually contradicts your claim. The fourth and fifth aren't even true, you simply refuse to use the plasma widgets that would allow you to do these. The last isn't about customization at all, it is a bug.

So the problem isn't that KDE lacks appearance configuration options, it has tons of them, at least as many as KDE 3. The problem is that you don't like any of the options given to you. But that is not KDE's fault.

Here is an example showing how far it can be customized. I have changed the icons, widget style, window decoration, plasma theme, cursor theme, background, the only thing I didn't change was the color scheme, but I could have done that as well. It looks nothing at all like the default KDE, besides the panel which is kind of similar:



Now I know what you are going to say, you don't like that appearance. But the customization options are there, they just don't provide the exact appearances you want.

Judging from the previous thread, out of the dozens of widget styles available for KDE, there are only 2 you actually like (which, coincidentally, happen to be 2 of the ones that were not ported to KDE 4 because apparently nobody liked them enough to do so). It is pretty hard for anyone to cater to such strict tastes.

einar wrote:

Anixx wrote:Under no other desktop there are any such artifacts.

That's because few toolkits tested the graphic stack as much as KDE. I expect a similar thing to happen when Gnome-Shell is released.

Not only kde or gnome shell have/will have problems with graphics: even firefox developers are complaining about that:

Mozilla Firefox 4.0 will feature GPU hardware acceleration using OpenGL (or Direct2D/Direct3D under Microsoft Windows) acceleration for WebGL content and even HTML5. This support is there for Windows and Mac OS X, but for Firefox 4.0 the Linux support has been disabled and WebGL is also blacklisted for most drivers. Why? It's the problematic GPU drivers, of course.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... &px=OTAxMw

The fourth and fifth aren't even true, you simply refuse to use the plasma widgets that would allow you to do these.

Again. I am talking about placing storage media icon on the desktop, not plasmoid. It is about appearance, not function.

Here is an example showing how far it can be customized.

I dont think it is far customized. Typical KDE4 desktop. Mac-styled oversimplifyed icons (i still want to \see at least one normal icon theme for KDE4), Plasma has different style than Qt4 widgets, blink on the plasma panel (is there a theme without blink?), cashew in the corner. Only the Qt4 style is different but I'd say this one is even worser than Oxygen.

Not only kde or gnome shell have/will have problems with graphics: even firefox developers are complaining about that:

Are you sure, this is the same issue?

Anixx wrote:

The fourth and fifth aren't even true, you simply refuse to use the plasma widgets that would allow you to do these.

Again. I am talking about placing storage media icon on the desktop, not plasmoid. It is about appearance, not function.

One of the main points of Plasma is to allow multiple forms of appearance for the same function.

Which part of the current visualization would you want to be different or something added/removed?

Cheers,
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anda_skoa wrote:One of the main points of Plasma is to allow multiple forms of appearance for the same function.

Which part of the current visualization would you want to be different or something added/removed?

Cheers,
_

I think you misunderstand, it is not the appearance that is the problem, he/she simply refuses to use plasmoids of any kind for any reason, even if it looks and behaves identically to how it did on KDE 3.5.

TheBlackCat wrote:I think you misunderstand, it is not the appearance that is the problem...

But this is exactly what Anixx wrote ("its about appearance, not function"), which is why I asked for clarification how the appearance differs.

Unless there is some comment where Anixx explicitly says there is no difference (which I couldn't find), I'd like to wait for an answer before being told that I don't understand.

Cheers,
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anda_skoa wrote:But this is exactly what Anixx wrote ("its about appearance, not function"), which is why I asked for clarification how the appearance differs.

The issue is, even when the appearance is identical, such as the Trash widget, annix still refuses to use it simply because it's a "widget".

Well, but there usually is a slight difference between appearance of a widget on the desktop and the desktop itself having the same functionality. This is why there is a folder view widget and a folder view activity.

Maybe Anixx wants something similar for devices, a "device notifier activity".

To determine that I'd wanted to hear what kind of appearance differences there are right now so there is an option to evaluate if another Plasma entity other than a widget could be used to create the desired result.

Cheers,
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i dismissed most of the thread , but i can tell you that for me kde4 is the best environment out there, fallowing it are the mac os x and then windows 7.. Gnome still sucks.

anda_skoa wrote:Well, but there usually is a slight difference between appearance of a widget on the desktop and the desktop itself having the same functionality. This is why there is a folder view widget and a folder view activity.

Maybe Anixx wants something similar for devices, a "device notifier activity".

To determine that I'd wanted to hear what kind of appearance differences there are right now so there is an option to evaluate if another Plasma entity other than a widget could be used to create the desired result.

I want .desktop file on the desktop which can also be included in menu, shortcuts or anywhere else where the .desktop file can be used, with a link to a folder that shows the storage media - all the mounted disks. Like in Windows, Gnome, KDE3.

I also want the panel to appear just like other Qt controls, using the Qt style, as any other applications.

I also want the spatial mode in the file manager.

The latter being a blocking feature for me.