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Very disappointing : Print is a mess on kde and linux destk

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nowardev
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>:(

i would like print only some selection on the wikipedia pages.

the most of time i don't want print whole the stuff of a webpage
i don't want print colours

it's 2 days i am here trying to printing only a selection. this is bad

i don't care about kwin effects amazing stuff that i don't use every day

kde and linux should :


improve the multimedia sections
music
videos
office <-----
printing <------

printing for office are very important i am trying to use linux everyday for work but it's hard.

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Hm, printing and printer sharing really isn't very hard at all so I am somewhat nonplussed as to what problems you may be encountering.

If I want to print a selection of a webpage I take a screenshot and print it - colour or monochrome is easy enough to adjust in the print dialogue.

Without any more info from your side it is really very hard to help you.


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toad wrote:Hm, printing and printer sharing really isn't very hard at all so I am somewhat nonplussed as to what problems you may be encountering.

If I want to print a selection of a webpage I take a screenshot and print it - colour or monochrome is easy enough to adjust in the print dialogue.

Without any more info from your side it is really very hard to help you.


look at this.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma-algebra


i want print only form

Sigma-algebra


to
..... and is preferred in integration theory, as it gives a complete measure space.

now a screenshot doesn't fit becuase the page is always longer than the screen...
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Thanks for the concrete example - makes things a lot easier to troubleshoot ;)

For cases like that I usually select what I want to print, paste it into libreoffice or some such and print it. Bingo.

Does that not work for you?


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toad wrote:Thanks for the concrete example - makes things a lot easier to troubleshoot ;)

For cases like that I usually select what I want to print, paste it into libreoffice or some such and print it. Bingo.

Does that not work for you?


man ... try to do the stuff with libreooffice
omg i have to fix the page format ?

do you know how many time it will take if i have 10 pages?

i mean ... windows ie print selection ... done *__*
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ok thank to kde irc guys i have found at least this

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... ntable=yes
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Quick search made me find Bug #11825. So it is a long standing issue no one seems to be able to fix in a good way.

However, as a workaround, printing a selection does indeed work with Firefox. Select area, go to the menu -> print and set to selection, and you are done.


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neverendingo wrote:Quick search made me find Bug #11825. So it is a long standing issue no one seems to be able to fix in a good way.

However, as a workaround, printing a selection does indeed work with Firefox. Select area, go to the menu -> print and set to selection, and you are done.


well neverendingo this should make reflect devs about a decent browser on kde...

i mean...

rekonq *__*
konqueror *___*
opera *___*
chromium chrome *___*

wtf
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nowardef,

wtf indeed. You are using free software, request free help, don't supply us with enough info to get started and then YOU say wtf???

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toad wrote:nowardev,

wtf indeed. You are using free software, request free help, don't supply us with enough info to get started and then YOU say wtf???

Wow, learn manners and don't come back until you have.



btw i am an active member of kde apps site... i am a 3 \4 year linux\kde user and... i developed some applications... so i guess i can say wtf if the experience-base is not satisfied from kde.

it's very important for an os the base experience :

-printing

(very very bad on linux every year that i have spent using linux i can understand better why it's so bad... )

-web browsing

(default browser on kde doesn't work, rekonq it's a joke. yea yea you can use it btw you have to install another software like firefox or other to get internet so... at the end you will use always firefox or other.. i was a konqueror user ... and yes you can use it because it's light but then... ops doesn't work well here ops doens't work well there so you are always using chrome\firefox\opera so... why spend time to create another application when... there is firefox port that on qt instead to create another incomplete software like rekonq.. arora *__* )

-writing documents well that could be done via libre\openoffice\koffice it's not so bad... well you can do via the browser google docs

anyway why i said wtf :

kwin effects are fixed, improved, but have you seen that the printer bug? it is an oooooold bug

do you believe opengl effects are more important than printer bug? what do you do with kwin effects ?

well... what is the most important thing on OS ? produce something for work


you can't pretend that free open source software can improve itself if you can't criticize it.

you have to understand that critics help to understand why the software doesn't fit for users and this that i am saying from "developer" side (for example i was frustrated by skanlite... and i have done this http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/sc ... ent=139016 that works very well on my hp scanjet but i am sure it will not fit for each user xD sure of that :D )


i will end this message with this sentence that i like

a friend it's someone that helps you to see the truth with his eye when you are blind :)
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Too true, well spoken. Although I still don't see the problem with pasting and copying - that is how I always do it, no formatting necessary afaik (even for mathematical formulas). But obviously your mileage varies.

As for reporting shortcomings/suggestions/bugs - that is what the whole bug system is for :), not mouthing off in a forum.


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toad wrote:Too true, well spoken. Although I still don't see the problem with pasting and copying - that is how I always do it, no formatting necessary afaik (even for mathematical formulas). But obviously your mileage varies.

As for reporting shortcomings/suggestions/bugs - that is what the whole bug system is for :), not mouthing off in a forum.


well you know i am a qt pure user, i don't like install 100 gtk softwares on my system. so i thought it was my problem ... i thought i was blind on konqueror \ rekonq ui but i was not unlucly, on this forum i have get the confirm that was a bug


for the paste and copy:

i have tried this morning but... xD there was problems i mean too much work fixing table or whatever on librofffice (look at what i get copying and pasting http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/08/plasma-desktopMf1493.jpg
well you would fix the pages layout with your hand !? when you know print selection on ie works xD ? nope man i would not )

instead with firefox .... select --> print ---> print selection
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nowardev wrote:-printing

(very very bad on linux every year that i have spent using linux i can understand better why it's so bad... )

Because print is hard to get working, and it is not something "sexy" that people feel to do in their spare time?

nowardev wrote:anyway why i said wtf :

kwin effects are fixed, improved, but have you seen that the printer bug? it is an oooooold bug

do you believe opengl effects are more important than printer bug? what do you do with kwin effects ?

I believe that who has the will, spirit and ability to code desktop effects can do them, while who is skilled with printing can work on printing.
This is one of the biggest misconceptions: you cannot "relocate" some guy working on something to something else which is totally different (and requires even a quite different setup). Even if you would stop the development of the desktop effects today, most probably none of the people working on them would work on printing.

nowardev wrote:and this that i am saying from "developer" side

Then you should understand if I say "lack of manpower", right?


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first of all

i am not here to say :
hey i have right you shut up this is the true and you are idiots.

i am here to say what i think like an heavy user of kde , that is trying to use it like primary DE.


anyway:

pinotree wrote:
Because print is hard to get working, and it is not something "****" that people feel to do in their spare time?


nowardev wrote:Then you should understand if I say "lack of manpower", right?


look at gwenview print window for the photo

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this i guess is the best print window for the photo written on qt that i have seen, i believe gimp gutenprint window is the best. unlucly for me gimp Ui sucks at all , i prefer krita because the ui is well done.

look at kolourpaint print window

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the firefox one

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the libreoffice interface

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another different one!!! this is not accettable by a normal user

what i want say with this :

why kde leaders don't organize with the gnome leaders something to coordinate the develop of a only strong command line tool for printing ? gui can be developed after.

I don't believe there is lack of manpower... infact there are too many project started and supported by developers... i mean krita, kolourpaint,libreoffice,gwenview,etc etc


well i have said kwin effects, but it would have said...another browser like rekonq...that is the kde default browser. i know webkit browser is different to konqueror with webkit_part...

note default browser for 5 minutes... after installation, because i am sure for banking stuff you can't use, but even for other simple stuff..

let me do an example :

i was supporting the #kubuntu channel and there was a user that said he cannont use internet because rekonq fails to register the user on the school server or something like that... so it used firefox *_* downloaded from windows 7.

someone has to view the true in the face rekonq \konqueror doesn't work well.

pinotree wrote:I believe that who has the will, spirit and ability to code desktop effects can do them, while who is skilled with printing can work on printing.


ok this is ok for me but who is the leading the project globally ? None?


i mean there would be one that says :
we need of
bla
bla
bla

and not of

bla bla bla


pinotree wrote:This is one of the biggest misconceptions: you cannot "relocate" some guy working on something to something else which is totally different (and requires even a quite different setup). Even if you would stop the development of the desktop effects today, most probably none of the people working on them would work on printing.


i am not sayin to a koffice developer to work on khtml engine of course but... omg rekonq why write another browser fix the one you had !


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